In PX16, Jess and Peter interview Jo Garretty a Director at Salt 3, a premier traffic engineering firm. Jo talks bikes, cars, trains and emerging traffic systems. She responds to criticisms that traffic engineers are too focused on roads at the expense of other urban elements. A refreshing talk about the prospects for great change in our urban transportation systems with technology creating opportunities of using spare capacity and facilitating new forms of transport. Music: Intro - 'Walk right up' by Ladi6. Outro: 'Like you want' to by Kita Alexander. Podcast originally released in June 2016 but re-recorded in November 2016. For more details see www.planningxchange.org.