Early voting is underway, Trish and Neale talk to Kathryn about how they think the campaign is going and whether the second debate shifted any ground. Also, Judith Collins' moment of prayer has raised some eyebrows, and what's the likely impact of the SFO decision on the New Zealand First Foundation on the party?. Neale Jones was Chief of Staff to Labour Leader Jacinda Ardern, and prior to that was Chief of Staff to Andrew Little. He is the director of Capital Government Relations. Trish Sherson is from corporate affairs firm Sherson Willis, and a former ACT press secretary.

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