Stephen, Ben and Kathryn talk about whether the health system is anywhere near prepared to cope with the Delta strain, 18 months since pandemic surfaced here, and the scramble to get more New Zealanders vaccinated and tested. They also discuss Sir Michael Cullen's legacy.

Stephen, Ben and Kathryn talk about whether the health system is anywhere near prepared to cope with the Delta strain, 18 months since pandemic surfaced here, and the scramble to get more New Zealanders vaccinated and tested. They also discuss Sir Michael Cullen's legacy.

Stephen Mills is an executive director at Talbot Mills research limited which is the polling firm used by Labour. He is a former political adviser to two Labour governments.

Ben Thomas is a PR consultant and a former National Government press secretary.

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