Stephen and Brigitte join Kathryn to look at the big shakeup of the health system and the risks for the government if it doesn't result in better service delivery. Will race be a big issue in the 2023 election, given decisions made on establishing a MÄori Health Authority and how to resolve IhumÄtao, and why did Labour vote to keep the waka-jumping law? Stephen Mills is the executive director of UMR Research , which is the polling firm used by Labour. He is former political adviser to two Labour governments. Brigitte Morten is a senior consultant with public and commercial law firm Franks & Ogilvie and a former senior ministerial advisor for the previous National-led government.

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