Ben Thomas is a PR consultant and a former National Government press secretary. Shane Te Pou is a former candidate, campaign manager and executive member of the Labour Party, and a former union official. He is no longer a member of any political party. He is a Director and HR Manager for IT Company Mega.

Political commentators Shane Te Pou and Ben Thomas join Kathryn to talk about the inflation/cost of living debate and possible fixes, how Christopher Luxon's leadership of the National party is going so far, the controversy over advice about continuing MIQ and the Prime Minister's trip to Asia.

Ben Thomas is a PR consultant and a former National Government press secretary.

Shane Te Pou is a former candidate, campaign manager and executive member of the Labour Party, and a former union official. He is no longer a member of any political party. He is a Director and HR Manager for IT Company Mega.

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