Stephen and Brigitte talk to Kathryn about when hard calls might get made not the Climate Change Commission's final report is with the Government, and reflections on National MP's three decade long career. Stephen Mills is the executive director of UMR Research , which is the polling firm used by Labour. He is former political adviser to two Labour governments.

Stephen and Brigitte talk to Kathryn about when hard calls might get made not the Climate Change Commission's final report is with the Government, and reflections on National MP's three decade long career.

Stephen Mills is the executive director of UMR Research, which is the polling firm used by Labour. He is former political adviser to two Labour governments.

Brigitte Morten is a senior consultant with public and commercial law firm Franks & Ogilvie and a former senior ministerial advisor for the previous National-led government.

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