Zvi Band is co-founder and former CEO of Contactually, which was CRM software for real estate and other relationship-oriented professionals. Contactually was founded in 2011 with initial funding and support from 500 Startups in Silicon Valley. In the next five years, they raised a total of $15.5 million from institutional VC investors.

Contactually grew to about $10 million in revenue before growth stalled, and it became clear they couldn’t raise additional capital or grow big without funding. The company was sold in 2019 to Compass, a major real estate technology company and brokerage, to power their internal CRM platform.

In this episode, Zvi candidly shares his personal experience with VC funding, their opportunities and challenges, and the strategic dilemmas they faced along the way. Zvi now owns and operates a bootstrapped contact management software business called Relatatable.

Quote from Zvi Band, co-founder and former CEO of Contactually

“I realized I spent seven and a half years of my life in survival mode as a CEO with VC investors.. And at no point did I feel that like we were safe and things were fun, because the bank account was always trickling down a little bit. 

“We always had big growth goals. And we were always thinking about, How do we get through the next VC funding round? At no point did I realize and celebrate that, hey, we built something really awesome. 

“We could have chilled out once in a while or taken the team to Mexico for a week or something like that. But everything was around short term goals and what we need to do to get there that month.”

Links

• Zvi Band on LinkedIn
• Compass on LinkedIn
• Relateable website

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Shoanak (Sean) Mallapurkar is the founder and CEO of Recruit CRM, a complete CRM and business management system for global staffing companies and recruiting agencies. He started the company in 2017 with his father, a technical expert who had experience as a senior executive in large staffing companies.

Sean handled customer-facing jobs in sales, success, and product management, and his Dad managed engineering, finance, and marketing. They started in Pune, India, but both Sean and his father moved to Dubai in 2023 for lifestyle and tax benefits. Recruit CRM employs over 150 remote employees in India to serve thousands of customers in more than 100 countries.

Recruit CRM revenues grew quickly to nearly $10 million ARR in 2025. Their product suite includes CRM, billing, applicant tracking, AI resume parsing, financial management, and more. The company is very profitable and growing steadily (Rule of 70) and the co-owners/co-founders have no intention of selling. They see a steady path to a $100 million revenue business as an independent company.

Quote from Soanak (Sean) Mallapurkar, founder and CEO of Recruit CRM

“The one thing that really worked for us was keeping costs extremely low and having over three years of capital runway. That wasn't millions of dollars for us. It was $100,000. And we didn't even spend it. We only spent about $80K before we started selling and got to breakeven.

“When you have enough time,you can you can do more things, you can try more things, and make it happen. If you only have a year to succeed, you're screwed. Get through the really hard stuff and get to a million in revenue

“Then resist the urge to raise capital until you are at a million dollars in revenue. Then ask yourself if you need it. If you can resist the urge to raise capital, a lot of opportunities open up to you. And it’s a very different financial outcome than having investors.”

Links

• Shoanak (Sean) Mallapurkar on LinkedIn
• Recruit CRM on LinkedIn
• Recruit CRM website

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Jesse Burrell is the CEO and co-founder of BatchService, now known as BatchData, a real-time data and API platform designed for prop-tech startups and enterprises requiring massive and current housing data. Jesse was a real estate investor who needed better data to target his marketing efforts. BatchService was launched in 2018 with data brokering and subsequently built additional tools and apps. 

BatchService grew rapidly to $35 million in revenue by 2022, but regulation changes and economic shifts contracted their core business, forcing them to make drastic cutbacks and pivots. They launched an enterprise data service with APIs for larger companies in 2021, which is now known as BatchData. 

In July 2025, BatchService sold its “B2C” software business, comprising two successful products — BatchLeads and BatchDialer — to PropStream for an undisclosed cash amount. Jesse and his co-founders retained the B2B BatchData enterprise data business, now with 30 employees.

Quote from Jesse Burrell, cofounder and CEO of BatchService

“I had a couple years where I was pinching myself with the amount of money I was taking home every month. It was pretty wild how fast we rose in the first years. So when things changed for us, the fall really hurt, especially when we felt invincible and every idea worked brilliantly for three years. 

“When things changed, we stayed pretty patient. We stayed pretty calm, but there was a lot of nights, weeks and months. I went home feeling like a failure and I don't think I was failing. I just think it was the conditions that we got put in. But it was really hard on me mentally. It was very, very tough to get punched so hard in the mouth with like a multitude of things in a short period of time. 

“You're not as good as you think you are when it's going good and when it's going bad. It's not typically as bad as you think you are. A lot of it has to do with conditions and things that happen that are out of your control. You're fighting that because you're an entrepreneur and you'll figure it out if you are just persistent and don’t give up.”

Links

• Jesse Burrell on LinkedIn
• BatchService on LinkedIn
• Batchdata website
• Stewart Title website

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Brian Forbis is the CEO and president of Blood Bank Computer Systems, Inc. (BBCS), a business his mother created in the 1980s to serve the non-profit blood bank industry in the US. Brian started in sales, then transitioned to run development, and assumed the role of CEO in 2019 when he bought the company. 

BBCS rebuilt its entire mission-critical ERP software as a modern cloud solution over the last five years and is actively converting customers from legacy on-premise systems. With 40 employees and nearly $10 million in revenue, BBCS serves the blood banks that supply 20% of the blood products in the U.S.

Their industry presents numerous unique challenges, including negotiating co-op pricing, complying with FDA regulations, and managing partner-based relationships with customers. Brian is running this as a private, long-term business that will support the important blood bank industry for decades to come.

Quote from Brian Forbis, CEO and president of BBCS

“We don't have churn in customers, and we don't have churn in employees either. The people we attract to our blood bank software business really get bought in that we're helping people. We tell our team that you are affecting the lives of tens of thousands of people every day

“There's a reason we're regulated because we make decisions on the safety and efficacy of blood. And that's a big deal. We're committed to what we’re doing. We build a key component of saving lives.

“I drive that home every time I can talk about it. Making quality personal is one of our key values that we emphasize and discuss frequently.”

Links

• Brian Forbis on LinkedIn
• BBCS on LinkedIn
• BBCS (Blood Bank Computer Systems) website

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Chris Brisson is the CEO and co-founder of Salesmsg, a conversational two-way texting platform that enables businesses to engage with their customers through opt-in SMS. When his first software company stalled, he shut it down and developed the Salesmsg product for a different SMS use case that served his previous customers. 

Salesmsg now provides secure SMS texting across all departments in the company, integrated directly with Hubspot CRM. It includes voice calling, sophisticated SMS automation, opt-in management, analytics, and deep CRM integration. 

Salesmsg has grown rapidly, exceeding $10 million in revenue with 65 employees, leveraging its deep integration with HubSpot and promoting through agency and affiliate partners. The company is independent and has no outside investors.

Quote from Chris Brisson, the CEO and founder of Salesmsg

“In 2015, I wrote this post to our email list of 36,000 called The Death of Call Loop. I shared the story of how I created a business I secretly despised. We were shackled and couldn't innovate. I wanted to create a better company and reinvent the business from the ground up. My second chance startup became Salesmsg. 

“When you start a company and it stalls, at what point do you say It's not the horse to ride? I've been there. At what point do you say, Enough is enough? Because you're only going to get older. 

“I've always gone after solving problems, but some problems were worthy of the adventure, others not so much. Make sure you're choosing the right opportunity because it will take seven years of your life. And you can pivot along the way, but man, you want to find out early if it's worthy of the adventure.”

Links

• Chris Brisson on LinkedIn
• Salesmsg on LinkedIn
• Salesmsg website

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Tracy Larson is President and CEO of WeSuite, a vertical sales automation platform designed for larger integrators who sell complete security systems for commercial and residential real estate. Tracy and the cofounders were in the security systems business before launching a sales software company for this market in 2008. 

WeSuite is now a comprehensive solution that addresses the complex industry requirements for lead tracking, quoting, proposal management, contracting, commissions, and pipeline management. Hundreds of integrators in the US use WeSuite for their end-to-end quote-to-contract process.

WeSuite grew profitably to nearly $5 million in revenue in 2024, when the founders sold 100% of the company to Valsoft, a buy-and-hold acquirer of practical software companies. Tracy remains the CEO of the company, which operates independently in the Valsoft holding company.

Quote from Tracy Larson, CEO and president of WeSuite

“For founders in SaaS, especially women founders, you need to find the right people to become your personal board of advisors. You don't need money to pay them. Just pick five people who you've known over the years to help you. 

Ask them, Would you do this for me and be a sounding board once a month? I'd like to get your perspective on topics like these for 30 minutes. It’s not a formal board, it’s just advice and perspective.

“Establishing a personal board of advisors is a great idea. They can be women or men. And you can switch it up every year or so. Don’t worry about what you don't know. We all have things we don't know.”

Links

• Tracy Larson on LinkedIn
• WeSuite on LinkedIn
• WeSuite website
• Valsoft website

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Henry Valentino is the founder and CEO of EConnect, a leading provider of facial recognition software for casinos and stadiums, ensuring venue security and compliance. He founded EConnect in 2009 and pivoted several times before focusing on a security platform utilizing AI for casinos during the COVID-19 pandemic.

The Econnect platform offers facial recognition surveillance software that integrates with special cameras at venue entrances to identify known security risks and ensure compliance. Security teams get immediate identification of “known bad guys” in large venues. 

Econnect is approaching $10 million in revenue with hundreds of customers as a profitable business, with no outside equity funding. EConnect secured a total of $2 million in venture debt in 2019 and 2020, repaid it, and is now a growing and profitable company.

Quote from Henry Valentino, CEO and founder of EConnect

“Make sure you know your financial numbers yourself as the CEO. It's great to lean on accounting or finance leaders, but if you don't know them yourself, that's a big hindrance to success.

“Cash is what it comes down to. If the bank account doesn't have enough cash, they're only calling one person to get that resolved and that's you. If you get into trouble, you'll be trying to cut costs, which is not a way to grow a SaaS business. 

“To continue growing, you need to increase your spending and capacity to take on new customers. How much does it cost to keep these doors open every month? How much cash are we going to bring in? What do we need to billl to put us in a profit position every month?”

Links

• Henry Valentino on LinkedIn
• EConnect on LinkedIn
• EConnect website
• Costella Kirsch

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Josh Turley is CEO of RTA Fleet Management, a fleet management software company that his grandfather started in the 1980’s and ran as a small family business for decades. Then Josh’s father ran the business until 2015, never growing this slow, old-school business past $2 million in revenues. Josh had worked in the business before, but in 2016, Josh bought the business, to over as CEO and slowly began to make improvements—and mistakes—as they started to grow. 

Josh had an ambition to grow the company and learn how to be a real CEO. They started retooling their code to build modern cloud software, investing heavily for many years. They transformed their leadership, staff, business model, pricing, marketing, tech stack, and culture as they grew faster. They also focused on state and local government fleets as they grew. 

The bootstrapped company grew steadily, with 75 employees and a $15 million annual recurring revenue (ARR) run rate in 2024, supported by some debt. In 2025, Josh closed a $30 million investment round from Susquehanna Growth Equity, a practical growth equity investor that invests in steady SaaS businesses. 

Josh is a long-time member of my Practical Founders CEO Peer Groups. He is an avid learner, attending conferences, reading books, hiring consultants, and continually seeking new knowledge. 

In this episode, Josh also talks about:

• How difficult it was to transform an old business into a new one
• Why their Purpose, Values, and Mission drive successful hiring
• Why he chose to take on growth equity investors and de-risk with secondary investment

Quote from Josh Turley, CEO of RTA

“Every problem is a leadership problem. The biggest challenge in building a SaaS business is always the people—making sure you get the right people on the bus in the right seats. We’re at 90 people now, and there's no way I can manage 90 people myself. As the CEO, it all starts with you, then your leaders. 

“Most problems I see are because we got the wrong person in the wrong seat. You can't outrun that, regardless of how good the product is or how strong your financial model is. It will always catch up to you eventually, and that causes more problems than anything. 

“When you get a leadership team to be 100% aligned with one another, it doesn't matter what the market's doing. It doesn't matter what the product is doing. It will figure itself out. It's a forcing function to get that alignment, and then you just can't be stopped at that point.”

Links

• Josh Turley on LinkedIn
• RTA on LinkedIn
• RTA website
• Susquehanna Growth Equity website

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Sameer Narkar is the founder and CEO of Konnect Insights, a global SaaS company based in Mumbai that provides an omnichannel customer experience platform to consumer brands in 100 countries. Sameer created Konnect Insights in 2015 to help customer service teams respond to customers who mention their brands on social media.

The product and company have expanded from a slow start working through marketing agencies in India to now distributing through ISV partners in all major global regions. The Konnect Insights product includes social listening, ticketing, reputation monitoring, and social media analytics. They have grown to 140 employees, hundreds of customers, and $7 million ARR--without any outside funding.

In this episode, Sameer talks about:

• Selling through agency and ISV partners to grow efficiently
• Competing with large, well-funded software companies
• How he thinks about how AI can help them compete
• Why he hasn’t sold the company or raised outside funding

Quote from Sameer Narkar, founder and CEO of Konnect Insights

“When you start a software company, you have all odds against you. You don't have enough money. There's no reason why customers would trust you against the established products. There is a 99% chance that you'll fail.

“But if you're really passionate about what you're building, then don't look too far ahead. Try to achieve your smaller goals or get from zero to one. So just build something and get some early customers. We figured out a way for agencies to be interested in selling our solution to bring it to market.

“Then meet directly with your end customers. It's very easy for tech founders to sit in the office and build a product the way they think. That doesn’t work. Many founders think that if they take a half-baked product, they won't get another chance. But that's not the case. You need to build relationships to help you improve and grow..”

Links

• Sameer Narkar on LinkedIn
• Konnect Insights on LinkedIn
• Konnect Insights website

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Chris Erler was co-founder and COO of ComX, a sales pipeline generation for mid-market B2B companies in Germany and Europe. Chris and two other founders started the company in 2018 to conduct turnkey modern digital marketing and lead generation solutions for traditional German companies.

As a tech-enabled service that combines technology, data, and people-powered solutions, ComX delivers proven results through subscription and outcome-based pricing. They grew quickly to approximately $20 million in revenue in four years before being acquired by the private equity firm FLEX Capital. 

In this episode, Chris talks about:

• Growing a team of 70 employees in South Africa
• Starting in Germany with mid-market companies
• The challenges of debt financing of private equity buyouts

Quote from Chris Erler, cofounder of ComX

“99% of the time, I ask the founder, Why are you raising money from investors that early? I'm very pushy on that one because I know the freedom that you can create when building a bootstrapped business.

“For me, raising money from investors and giving away shares very early means you’re not focusing on customers, but rather focusing on collecting capital to build the product without having it validated too early. I just share our bootstrapped story with ComX which I believe works well. 

“That's why I'm a big fan of your podcasts. There's a huge education needed, especially in Europe. People need to be educated on how to found properly. Of course, it can go well, but the chances that something f***’s up are much higher. And then young people are in a very bad situation.”

Links

• Chris Erler on LinkedIn
• ComX on LinkedIn
• ComX website
• FLEX Capital website

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