I sat down for a candid conversation with former University of Cape Town Vice Chancellor, Mamokgethi Phakeng. In the wake of her departure from UCT, Phakeng has faced intense scrutiny from various media outlets. In this interview, she opens up about the personal nature of these attacks and how they have affected her. Additionally, Phakeng addresses the allegations of bullying that were leveled against her during her tenure at UCT. We also delve into her thoughts on the failures of CODESA, the student fees crisis, and the role that education can play in addressing the country's past injustices. Join us for this insightful and thought-provoking conversation with one of South Africa's most accomplished academic leaders. Don't forget to like, comment, and subscribe for more engaging content like this.