In this podcast recorded in early June, James Cave (Editor-in-Chief) and David Phizackerley (Deputy Editor) ignore the UK general election, the T20 cricket world cup and the European football championship and talk about the July 2024 issue of DTB. They discuss the editorial that highlights trial data showing that dupilumab had a modest effect on reducing COPD exacerbations, and question whether more drugs or greater investment in pulmonary rehabilitation and smoking cessation services are a better use of resources. They review a coroner's prevention of future deaths report that highlights the need to raise awareness of the dangers of propranolol overdose. The main article discusses the management of exacerbations of COPD in primary care.