Jonah Goldberg talks to University of North Carolina at Chapel Hill professor Molly Worthen about her recent book, Spellbound, as they trace the history of charisma—not to be confused with charm—through 400 years of American history.

Show Notes:
—Molly’s webpage
—Molly’s book: Spellbound: How Charisma Shaped American History from the Puritans to Donald Trump

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