Ruth and Dai are back together again, this time taking on the topic of racism in football. They are joined by a guest to have this conversation too: Stewart Owadally.

It is something which has reared it's ugly head again of late, not just in Europe but also in the UK too. This conversation centers around personal examples of things, recent issues and also what we would like to see happen to improve sanctions and education in regards to racism in football.

Ruth does some great research on what other countries do (both in and our of football) and Stewart gives some great insight having attended sessions led by groups such as Kick It Out and Give Racism The Red Card, and having been involved in discussions with ex pros such as Paul Parker and Ken Monkou.

Whilst this is something a little different, it is still a very important topic which we felt needed to be covered. Thanks for listening.