Michael Shellenberger is an environmental activist, TIME’s Hero of the Environment, an advisor to the U.N.’s Panel on Climate Change, and author of the new book "Apocalypse Never: How Environmental Alarmism Hurts Us All." He joins us for an honest conversation about the devastating impact that wind and solar energy infrastructure is having on Earth's ecology, the sources of energy we can safely and efficiently utilize, and facts vs fiction behind everything from the rise in extreme weather events to plastics pollution. Follow Michael on Twitter at @ShellenbergerMD.

Episode Timeline:

1:50   Recent Testimony at the Committee on the Climate Crisis

8:00   Climate Fatalism and the Myth We’re All Going to Die in 12 Years

21:00 Climate Change Collusion + Backroom deals

32:00 Is Solar That Great?

42:00 California and the Grid 101

1:02:00 What about Wind?

1:13:00 Nuclear Proliferation

1:23:00 Why do People Hate Nuclear?

1:33:00 Extreme Weather Events

1:47:00: Plastic Straws and Plastic Waste

1:56:00 Recycling

1:58:00 Farting Cows and Meat Eating

2:04:00 Final Thoughts