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Welcome to Part Two of our coverage of the Consortium of Multiple Sclerosis Centers annual meeting!

In this week's episode, Dr. John DeLuca shares research that has identified an effective behavioral treatment for MS-related fatigue. Dr. Brian Sandroff discusses how MS rehabilitation has evolved and then answers some of your questions about exercise and MS. And Kristine Werner Ozug, a member of the RealTalk MS team and someone who lives with MS, shares her perspective on the sessions and presentations she attended at CMSC.

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This Week: Part 2 of our coverage from the 2025 Consortium of MS Centers Annual Meeting :22

Dr. John DeLuca shares his research, which has identified an effective behavioral treatment for MS-related fatigue 1:15

Dr. Brian Sandroff discusses how MS rehabilitation has evolved and answers some of your questions 8:34

Kristine Werner Ozug shares her perspective on the sessions and presentations she attended at CMSC 19:34

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RealTalk MS Episode 406 Guests: Dr. John DeLuca, Dr. Brian Sandroff, and Kristine Werner Ozug

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Last week in Phoenix, Arizona, the Consortium of Multiple Sclerosis Centers (CMSC) held its annual meeting, and we had a chance to talk with some of the top MS experts in the world. Welcome to Part One of our coverage!

First, you'll hear Dr. Kathy Zackowski, the National MS Society's Associate Vice-President of Research, share her overview of the sessions and presentations that especially stood out to her. Then, you'll hear Dr. Stephen Krieger as he expands on one of the most interesting and provocative presentations at the conference. Dr. Krieger headed up a panel of experts that explained how the terms used to describe MS today (relapsing-remitting, secondary progressive, and primary progressive) are no longer adequate and then offered answers to the question, "If MS is one disease, what does that mean for clinical conversations?".

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This Week: From the 2025 Consortium of MS Centers Annual Meeting :22

Dr. Kathy Zackowski shares an overview of the sessions and presentations that caught her eye 1:08

Dr. Stephen Krieger discusses seeing MS as one disease 17:11

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RealTalk MS Episode 405 Guests: Dr. Kathy Zackowski and Dr. Stephen Krieger

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Every five minutes, someone somewhere in the world is diagnosed with MS. But getting that diagnosis can be challenging. And the evidence is clear that early intervention makes a difference. The sooner someone can begin a disease-modifying therapy, the better their outcome is going to be.

World MS Day is May 30th, and this year, World MS Day is focused on eliminating the obstacles that get in the way of a timely and accurate diagnosis.

I thought World MS Day would be the perfect time to invite Meredith O'Brien to join me to discuss her new book, Uncomfortably Numb 2: An Anthology for Newly-Diagnosed MS Patients.

We'll also explain how the drastic cuts to Medicaid funding that were approved by the U.S. House of Representatives will affect hundreds of thousands of people with MS, and how the additional changes made to the Affordable Care Act will leave millions of Americans without health insurance.

We're sharing the results of a study that may have identified how B-cells infected by the Epstein-Barr Virus migrate into the brain. And we'll explain why that could be the activity that triggers MS.

We'll tell you about a study that makes the case for treating pediatric MS with Ocrevus.

And we'll share the results of a study that discovered an association between inflammation-causing molecules and frailty among people with relapsing forms of MS.

We have a lot to talk about! Are you ready for RealTalk MS??!

This Week: World MS Day :22

U.S. House of Representatives Vote to Gut Healthcare in America 2:29

Get involved! Become an MS Activist today! 3:38

A research team has demonstrated how EBV-infected B-cells migrate to the brain 4:28

Researchers demonstrate the efficacy of Ocrevus in treating pediatric MS 7:13

Researchers show an association between frailty and an inflammatory molecule 8:57

Meredith O'Brien discusses her new book, Uncomfortably Numb 2: An Anthology for Newly-Diagnosed MS Patients 11:05

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Become an MS Activist Web: https://nationalmssociety.org/advocacy

World MS Day https://worldmsday.org

Uncomfortably Numb 2: An Anthology for Newly-Diagnosed MS Patients https://amazon.com/Uncomfortably-Numb-Anthology-Newly-Diagnosed-Patients/dp/1954332580/ref=sr_1_1

STUDY: Epstein-Barr Virus Induces Aberrant B Cell Migration and Diapedesis Via FAK-Dependent Chemotaxis Pathways https://nature.com/articles/s41467-025-59813-z

STUDY: Ocrelizumab for Relapsing Pediatric Multiple Sclerosis https://sciencedirect.com/science/article/abs/pii/s2211034825002810

STUDY: Association Between Frailty and Inflammatory Cytokines in Patients with Multiple Sclerosis: A Case-Control Study https://sciencedirect.com/science/article/abs/pii/s1043466625000924

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RealTalk MS Episode 404 Guest: Meredith O'Brien

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Last week, the National Multiple Sclerosis Society and the European Committee for Treatment and Research in Multiple Sclerosis convened a meeting in Dublin, Ireland, to dive deeper into what a new framework for describing MS might look like. There's still a tremendous amount of work to be done here. But, considering that whatever language is eventually adopted will affect every person living with MS, I want to keep you fully informed on this important work. So I'm devoting this entire episode of the podcast to sharing conversations I had with three of the attendees at the meeting in Dublin.

First, you'll hear from Dr. Bruce Bebo, the National MS Society's Executive Vice President of Research. Then, you'll hear from Dr. Daniel Ontaneda, a neurologist specializing in MS at the Cleveland Clinic, and, finally, you'll hear from Kathy Smith, who's lived with MS for the past 20 years. As you listen to these conversations, I think you'll hear three slightly different perspectives, but you'll also hear some of the broad concepts and ideas around which there was a high level of agreement at our meeting.

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This Week: A meeting to discuss moving to a biologically based description of MS :22

Dr. Bruce Bebo discusses how a new framework for describing MS could impact MS research and people living with MS 3:45

Dr. Daniel Ontaneda describes some of the shortcomings of the current MS course descriptors and discusses how a new framework for describing MS could impact people living with MS 17:34

Kathy Smith explains how current MS course descriptors fail to fully capture her experience as someone living with MS, and explains how new course descriptors could benefit people living with MS 26:24

What's next in the work to develop new course descriptors for MS 35:20

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RealTalk MS Episode 279: A New Framework for Researching, Diagnosing, and Treating MS with Professor Tanja Kuhlmann https://realtalkms.com/279

RealTalk MS Episode 280: How the Proposed Framework for Diagnosing and Treating MS Will Affect You with Dr. Tim Coetzee https://realtalkms.com/280

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RealTalk MS Episode 403 Guests: Dr. Bruce Bebo, Dr. Daniel Ontaneda, Kathy Smith

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If you're living with MS, you might experience days when it feels like you're losing your sense of who you are, as your sense of self gets redefined by your symptoms. Reasserting your personal style can be a powerful way to rediscover joy in who you are while reclaiming your identity.

Jeri Zink Denz lives with MS and works in the luxury fashion industry. She's always been passionate about fashion and personal style, and Jeri joins me to discuss how you can find and define your personal style, despite the challenges that MS may present.

We'll also explain the hidden outcome of the massive agency layoffs and drastic cuts in federal funding for healthcare research, and this is the outcome that can affect research for decades to come.

We're sharing the results of a study that may have identified a biomarker for rapid MS progression.

We'll tell you about the game-changing artificial intelligence project that received a $750,000 investment from the International Progressive MS Alliance.

And you'll find out how and where you can register for the upcoming Hispanic/Latinx MS Experience Summit.

We have a lot to talk about! Are you ready for RealTalk MS??!

This Week: Reasserting your personal style can be a powerful way to rediscover joy in who you are in spite of the challenges that MS may present. :22

Layoffs + funding cuts = brain drain 1:08

Have researchers found a biomarker for rapid MS progression? 4:51

The International Progressive MS Alliance has invested $750,000 in what could be a game-changing AI project 9:09

The National MS Society's Hispanic/Latinx MS Experience Summit is just 8 days away 10:59

Jeri Zink Denz discusses why it's especially important (and even therapeutic!) to assert your personal style when you're living with MS 12:22

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Become an MS Activist Web: https://nationalmssociety.org/advocacy Email: [email protected]

STUDY: Broad Rim Lesions are a New Pathological and Imaging Biomarker for Rapid Disease Progression in Multiple Sclerosis https://nature.com/articles/s41591-025-03625-7

International Progressive MS Alliance https://progressivemsalliance.org

Hispanic/Latinx MS Experience Summit Info & Registration https://nationalmssociety.org/resources/get-support/education-programs-and-library/hispanic-latinx-ms-experience

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RealTalk MS Episode 402 Guest: Jeri Zink Denz

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Most people living with MS don't see their neurologist often. For many, it might be only once or twice a year. A lot of important things take place during that appointment. Symptoms are assessed. Decisions about disease-modifying therapies are made or, sometimes, changed. Questions get asked and, hopefully, answered.

Dr. Barbara Giesser returns to the podcast, this time, to review the things that should be discussed and followed up on at your appointment with your neurologist or MS specialist.

We're also sharing some good news about MS research funding from the National MS Society and the International Progressive MS Alliance.

We'll tell you how you can catch the replay of the International Progressive MS Alliance's webcast focused on putting people with MS at the center of MS research.

We're sharing the encouraging outcome of the Phase 2 clinical trial for vidofludimus calcium and progressive MS.

We'll tell you how you or a family member can participate in the GEMS study.

And we'll tell you about a new AI tool that can accurately diagnose a patient's transition from relapsing-remitting MS to secondary progressive MS, often before a clinician can!

We have a lot to talk about! Are you ready for RealTalk MS??!

This Week: What (should) happen during your appointment with your neurologist :22

National MS Society invests $18.1 million in new research 1:04

International Progressive MS Alliance funds 3 clinical trial development projects 3:53

Catch the replay of the International Progressive MS Alliance webcast focused on putting people with MS at the center of research 6:56

Immunic Therapeutics announces positive results from the Phase 2 clinical trial evaluating vidofludimus calcium for progressive MS 7:45

You or a family member may qualify to participate in the GEMS study 10:00

AI tool can accurately diagnose the transition from relapsing-remitting MS to secondary progressive MS 12:01

Dr. Barbara Giesser discusses the kinds of conversations you should be having during your appointment with your neurologist 16:49

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Become an MS Activist Web: https://nationalmssociety.org/advocacy Email: [email protected]

National MS Society Commits $18.1 Million for Research (Projects Being Funded) https://cdn.sanity.io/files/y936aps5/production/a788b2e3d8409173a4de417fcf3bebcfbddddc41.pdf

International Progressive MS Alliance https://progressivemsalliance.org

International Progressive MS Alliance Webcast: Putting People with MS at the Center of Research https://youtube.com/watch?v=uacSJ7ZxuRM

Participate in MS Research: The GEMS Study https://recruit.cumc.columbia.edu/studyinfopage/1419

GEMS Study Contact: Juliana Oyegunle Email: [email protected] Phone: (212) 305-2434

STUDY: Conformal Prediction Enables Disease Course Prediction And Allows Individualized Diagnostic Uncertainty in Multiple Sclerosis https://www.nature.com/articles/s41746-025-01616-z

Multiple Sclerosis Progression Tracker https://msp-tracker.serve.scilifelab.se/

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RealTalk MS Episode 401 Guests: Dr. Barbara Giesser

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Welcome to the 400th episode of RealTalk MS! Over the past nearly eight years, it's been my absolute honor to bring you insights from leading experts, researchers, advocates, and, perhaps most importantly, from people living with MS themselves. And we have no intention of stopping here! We're excited to continue bringing you the information and conversations that matter most to the MS community.

In this episode of the podcast, Dr. Tim Coetzee, President and CEO of the National MS Society, looks back at a significant milestone that took place eighty years ago. Tim also shares his detailed vision of the future for people living with MS, and discusses some of the cutting-edge MS research that he's most excited about.

We have a lot to talk about! Are you ready for RealTalk MS??!

This Week: Welcome to episode 400! :18

Dr. Tim Coetzee, President and CEO of the National MS Society, looks back at the past, shares his vision of the future, and discusses the MS research that he's most excited about 2:32

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RealTalk MS Episode 400 Guests: Dr. Tim Coetzee

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Research shows that spirituality can benefit mental health and improve overall well-being. And it can play a meaningful role in helping people cope with life's challenges, like living with MS. This week, Dr. Mana Ali Carter, a rehabilitation psychologist at MedStar National Rehabilitation Hospital in Washington D.C., joins me to discuss the positive effects that spirituality can have on the mind and body, and how it's been shown to make a difference for people living with MS.

We're also sharing encouraging initial reports from a Phase 1 clinical trial for KYV-101, Kyverna's investigational CAR-T therapy for MS.

We'll tell you about a positive report on two years of data from a Phase 2 clinical trial extension study for Frexalimab, a novel investigational disease-modifying therapy from Sanofi.

We'll explain how the decision to discontinue federal matching funds for designated state health programs will have a direct impact on some people living with MS.

And we'll tell you how you can register for the National MS Society's webinar in support of restoring federal funding for the MS Research Program.

We have a lot to talk about! Are you ready for RealTalk MS??!

This Week: How spirituality can make a difference if you're living with MS :22

Initial reports from a Phase 1 clinical trial for a CAR-T therapy are encouraging 1:15

Two years of data from a Phase 2 extension study of Frexalimab are positive 3:07

The federal government will no longer provide matching funds for designated state health programs 5:47

The National MS Society is hosting a virtual event to support restoring federal funding for the MS Research Program 8:38

Dr. Mana Ali Carter explains how spirituality can make a difference in your life if you're living with MS 11:27

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Become an MS Activist Web: https://nationalmssociety.org/advocacy Email: [email protected]

Participate in a Sanofi Clinical Trial https://sanofistudies.com

Register for a Virtual Event: Restore the MS Research Program https://nmss.quorum.us/event/23043

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RealTalk MS Episode 399 Guests: Dr. Mana Ali Carter

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Last week, at the American Academy of Neurology annual meeting, Dr. Amit Bar-Or received the John Dystel Prize for Multiple Sclerosis Research for his multiple achievements that have advanced our knowledge of neuroimmunology, precision medicine, and biomarkers in MS. We talked with Dr. Bar-Or about how some of the latest discoveries in MS research would impact patient care.

Tolebrutinib, an investigational disease-modifying therapy, is currently making its way through the FDA's regulatory process. Last week, the results of the Phase 3 clinical trials for Tolebrutinib were published, and we're sharing the details.

We'll also tell you about MindGlide, an AI-powered tool for analyzing MRI scans that will significantly reduce MRI exam times.

We're talking about the results of the Phase 3 clinical trial for high-dose Ocrevus.

And we'll tell you about a cell therapy that doesn't use stem cells that successfully repaired myelin in the mouse model of MS -- twice!

We have a lot to talk about! Are you ready for RealTalk MS??!

Congratulations to Dr. Stephen Hauser and Dr. Alberto Ascherio :22

This Week: The impact of breakthrough MS research on MS care 2:17

Results of the phase 3 clinical trials for Tolebrutinib have been published 3:07

An AI-powered tool for analyzing MRI scans will significantly reduce MRI exam times for patients 4:21

Results of the phase 3 clinical trial for high-dose Ocrevus 8:13

A cell therapy that doesn't use stem cells has successfully repaired myelin in the mouse model of MS -- twice! 10:14

Dystel Prize winner Dr. Amit Bar-Or discusses how some of the latest discoveries in MS research will impact MS care 12:39

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Become an MS Activist Web: https://nationalmssociety.org/advocacy Email: [email protected]

RealTalk MS Episode 310: The Face Laughs While The Brain Cries: The Education of a Doctor with Dr. Stephen Hauser https://realtalkms.com/310

RealTalk MS ECTRIMS Extra: Results from the Phase 3 Clinical Trial for Tolebrutinib and Relapsing-Remitting MS with Dr. Jiwon Oh https://realtalkms.com/ectrims244

VIDEO: RealTalk MS ECTRIMS Extra: Results from the Phase 3 Clinical Trial for Tolebrutinib and Relapsing-Remitting MS with Dr. Jiwon Oh https://youtu.be/zcBmAHRTotA

VIDEO: RealTalk MS ECTRIMS Extra: Results from the Phase 3 Clinical Trial for Tolebrutinib and Nonrelapsing Secondary Progressive MS with Dr. Robert Fox https://youtu.be/tJQ93qdlXrU

STUDY: Tolebrutinib Versus Teriflunomide in Relapsing Multiple Sclerosis https://nejm.org/doi/full/10.1056/NEJMoa2415985

STUDY: Tolebrutinib in Nonrelapsing Secondary Progressive Multiple Sclerosis https://nejm.org/doi/full/10.1056/NEJMoa2415988

Enabling New Insights from Old Scans By Repurposing Clinical MRI Archives for Multiple Sclerosis Research https://www.nature.com/articles/s41467-025-58274-8

Fibroblast Technology https://fibrobiologics.com/technology/#cnsms

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RealTalk MS Episode 398 Guests: Dr. Amit Bar-Or

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For many people, it can be difficult to talk about the feelings of loss that can accompany MS. For some, it's the loss of the way they imagined their life would turn out. For others, it's the more specific loss of function. Perhaps the loss of their mobility. Or a decline in their cognitive skills. It's painful to imagine any of these scenarios, let alone experience them in real life.

The human response to loss is grief. And grieving itself can affect your physical, emotional, and cognitive health. Joining me today to discuss how grieving can affect you, along with ways to best manage grief, is Dr. Mary-Frances O'Connor.

Dr. O'Connor is a professor of psychology at the University of Arizona, where she directs the Grief, Loss, and Social Stress Lab, investigating the effects of grief on the brain and the body. Dr. O'Connor also lives with MS, and the title of her new book is The Grieving Body: How the Stress of Loss Can Be an Opportunity for Healing.

We'll also share the results of a study on MS fatigue in Finland.

We'll tell you about a study that focused on sexual dysfunction among women living with MS in Iran.

You'll learn what a research team discovered when they connected sick days from work with the prodromal phase of MS.

And we're sharing a new resource from the MS International Federation that will help you assess which wellness practices and complementary therapies may be beneficial for you.

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This Week: Managing the grief that comes from living with MS :22

Results from a Finnish study adds further evidence to what we know about MS fatigue 1:36

Results of a study that focused on sexual dysfunction among women living with MS in Iran 3:13

Can job-related sick days help researchers better understand the prodromal phase of MS? 5:48

The MS International Federation has produced a very worthwhile guide to wellness practices and complementary therapies for people with MS 10:49

Dr. Mary-Frances O'Connor discusses managing the grief that accompanies being diagnosed with MS 12:42

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STUDY: Evaluation of Patient-Perceived Fatigue in Multiple Sclerosis Using the Finnish MS Registry https://journals.sagepub.com/doi/10.1177/20552173251325098

STUDY: The Prevalence of Sexual Dysfunction and Its Contributors Among the Women with Multiple Sclerosis https://bmcwomenshealth.biomedcentral.com/articles/10.1186/s12905-025-03653-y

STUDY: The Prodromal Phase of Multiple Sclerosis: Evidence from Sickness Absence Patterns Before Disease Onset -- A Matched Cohort Study https://jnnp.bmj.com/content/early/2025/03/25/jnnp-2024-335279.full

STUDY (PLAIN ENGLISH VERSION): The Prodromal Phase of Multiple Sclerosis: Evidence from Sickness Absence Patterns Before Disease Onset -- A Matched Cohort Study https://tremlettsmsresearchexplained.wordpress.com/2025/03/26/the-prodromal-phase-of-multiple-sclerosis-evidence-from-sickness-absence-patterns-before-disease-onset-a-matched-cohort-study-explained

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RealTalk MS Episode 397 Guests: Dr. Mary-Frances O'Connor

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