What happens when the church starts to look more like a business than the body of Christ?

In this episode, we sit down with the creators of The Religion Business—a docuseries that investigates the billion-dollar machine behind institutional Christianity. From financial abuse to misplaced power, this series pulls back the curtain on the side of church most people don’t want to talk about.

We talk with Nathan Apffel and Chris Ayoub about what led them to create this project, the resistance they faced, and the deeper heart behind the series—not to tear down the church, but to call it back to what it was always meant to be.

And in the second half of the conversation, we dig into what’s next—how we move forward with faith, hope, and integrity outside of broken systems. Whether you've been hurt by the church or you're simply searching for something more authentic, this one’s for you.

🎥 Watch the full 7-Part docuseries:
https://www.thereligionbusiness.com

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📚 Recommended Resources to dive deeper into Organic/Simple Church:

👉 Organic Church by Neil Cole: https://amzn.to/40MylbU
👉 Organic Leadership by Neil Cole: https://amzn.to/3UMxF2o
👉 Pagan Christianity by Frank Viola: https://amzn.to/3UNWzPf



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In this episode of reChurch, we break down deliverance in simple, practical terms—no degrees, titles, or expert status required. We explore what the Bible actually says, how deliverance fits into everyday life, and why it’s not just for the spiritually elite. Whether you're curious, skeptical, or ready to step into more freedom, this conversation is for you.

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In this episode, we open up about our personal experiences with deliverance, why it still matters today scripturally, and how it fits within the greater mission of disciple-making and laying healthy foundations in the body of Christ. This isn’t about sensationalism—it’s about freedom. It’s one of the most honest and needed conversations we’ve ever had.

Whether you’ve had questions, doubts, or experiences of your own, this episode will challenge and encourage you.

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What if leaving the institutional church didn’t lead to bitterness, but to freedom and joy? In this episode, Justin and Brooke share their personal journey of stepping away from broken systems—not to critique them, but to follow Jesus into something simpler, deeper, and more alive. If you've felt the tension between tradition and truth, this conversation might be the permission your heart has been waiting for.

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The statistics of p*rn addiction in and outside the Church are staggering. Even among pastors and leaders. Today we dive into this much needed conversation with Sathiya Sam founder of DeepClean to expose the epidemic were facing and most importantly how we can overcome it.

Sathiya has helped guide over 10,000 men through freedom to become better husbands, fathers and most importantly men of God!

Connect with Sathiya:

https://www.sathiyasam.com

Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/sathiyamesam

Get a FREE copy of his book: https://www.sathiyasam.com/books

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So many people have been wounded by the institutional church, and it’s not just by accident—the system itself is often set up in a way that leads to hurt. In this episode, we dive deep into the reality of church hurt, why it happens so often in the American church, and how to heal without walking away from faith altogether. We share our personal journeys, the hard questions we had to wrestle with, and the steps we took to rebuild a faith that wasn’t tied to broken systems. If you’ve been disappointed, burned, or even traumatized by church, this conversation is for you. Let’s talk about what’s next. 

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Hope can feel hard to hold onto, especially during tough times. In this episode, we explore how challenges can actually deepen your faith and why staying rooted in God’s promises is so important. Through real stories and scripture, we’ll share practical ways to build and sustain hope when life feels overwhelming.

What we’ll cover:
• How trials can strengthen your hope
• Insights from Romans 5 on perseverance
• The role of community in keeping hope alive
• Practical steps to nurture hope
• Encouragement for those facing struggles alone

Join us for an honest conversation about finding and holding onto hope.

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Was Church leadership mean to be a hierarchy? Why is the Church system failing us? Where do we find a Senior Pastor in the bible? What are the 5-fold gifts and are they still for today? Should Church leaders carry title?

These are all valid questions, and questions many might deem dangerous. Today on the reChurch Podcast we break down what the Bible actually says about leadership in the Church and how the 5-fold gifts were designed to function.

This is a deep episode, so relax, grab a seat, turn on your ears and prepare for action. Today we talk Church leadership.

📚 Recommended Resources from Neil to dive deeper into Organic/Simple Church:

👉 Organic Church by Neil Cole: https://amzn.to/40MylbU
👉 Organic Leadership by Neil Cole: https://amzn.to/3UMxF2o
👉 Primal Fire (Book to be re-released - link coming soon)

Connect with Neil: https://starlinginitiatives.com/

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In this episode, we sit down with Neil Cole, a leading voice in organic church movement, to uncover what it truly means to live out the Great Commission. Neil shares the life-changing lesson he learned from spending $100,000 on a church plant that quickly failed, and how that experience shaped his groundbreaking approach to discipleship. With decades of experience and transformative insights, Neil challenges traditional models and reveals how we can return to the simple, powerful mission Jesus intended. Don’t miss this conversation—it could change everything!

📚 Recommended Resources from Neil to dive deeper into Organic/Simple Church:

👉 Organic Church by Neil Cole: https://amzn.to/40MylbU
👉 Organic Leadership by Neil Cole: https://amzn.to/3UMxF2o
👉 Primal Fire (Book to be re-released - link coming soon)

Connect with Neil: https://starlinginitiatives.com/

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The current mainstream church model in america makes it impossible to fulfill the great commission. In this episode we will proof that with undeniable evidence and talk about the way forward if we want to reach the world.

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