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Sam talks with Dr. Manisha Sinha, historian of the US Civil War and Reconstruction and one of 25 historians who signed onto the amicus brief supporting Colorado's decision to remove Donald Trump from the 2024 presidential ballot according to the 14th amendment (which bars insurrectionists from public office).

Read the brief here: https://www.supremecourt.gov/DocketPDF/23/23-719/298895/20240126151819211_23-719%20Brief.pdf

Learn more about Dr. Sinha's work at manishasinha.com and read her book, The Rise and Fall of the Second American Republic: Reconstruction, 1860-1920. Follow her on Twitter at @ProfMSinha.

Then, we share a bit of a report from Coco Das, who has gone to Eagle Pass, Texas (epicenter of the conflict at the border between Abbott-controlled National Guard troops and federally controlled Border Patrol) as part of an effort to investigate the situation and bring the message "we don't have an immigration problem, we have an imperialism problem!" The full interview with Coco from The RNL Show can be viewed here. Coco is a member of the Refuse Fascism editorial board, however this trip was not on behalf of Refuse Fascism. Follow Coco on Twitter at @coco_das.

Mentioned in the episode:

Texas Is Spoiling for a Civil War by Elie Mystal

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Music for this episode: Penny the Snitch by Ikebe Shakedown

Related Episodes:

The White Power Movement in 2024

The Year Ahead and the New Fascism Syllabus

The Nightmare Immigrants Face At The Texas Border

Ian Millhiser on Trump’s Trials + Paul Street on Jan 6 Anniversary

It's been quite the week! Sam recaps some of the stories we're watching most closely: the Texas + other fascist controlled states v. federal government confrontation in the wake of a SCOTUS decision the fascists actually don't like (shockingly, Roberts and Coney Barrett agreed that the federal government has the authority to remove the murder wire that the state of Texas is strewing all over the border and in the Rio Grande), the latest on Trump's legal troubles (which, spoiler alert: do not portend a solution to our fascism troubles), and the ICJ ruling on the escalating genocide in Gaza.

Then, Sam talks with Kathleen Belew, historian and author of Bring the War Home: The White Power Movement and Paramilitary America about her work and her evaluation of that movement as it's developed in 2024. Follow her at kathleenbelew.com, Twitter: @kathleen_belew, and TikTok: kathleen.belew.

Mentioned in this episode:

Polarization & Extremism Research & Innovation Lab recommended by Kathleen Belew

Eagle Pass Republi-Fascist Neo-Nullificaton v. Federal State Authoity at the Southern Texas Border by Paul Street

Far-Right Extremists Are Organizing an Armed Convoy to the Texas Border by David Gilbert

Right-Wing Talk Of An ‘Invasion’ And ‘Civil War’ Risks Rise In Vigilantism, Experts Say by Chris Mathias

Protest Convoy Headed to Southern Border Is Calling Itself an ‘Army of God’ by Tess Owen

Research Letter: Rape-Related Pregnancies in the 14 US States With Total Abortion Bans

Enforcing the Law to Disqualify a Violent Insurrectionist Is Good, Actually by Michael Liroff

Recommended Reading/Watching:

“Trump Is the Nominee. Fascism Is on the Ballot.” Author Jeff Sharlet on New Hampshire & Beyond

American Fascism by Rick Perlstein (sign up for his newsletter!)

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Music for this episode: Penny the Snitch by Ikebe Shakedown

Related Episodes:

The Year Ahead and The New Fascism Syllabus

The Nightmare Immigrants Face at the Texas Border

Fascists in the U.S. Military with Will Carless

Proud Boys and The New Era of American Fascism

We want to hear from listeners! What are some of your most urgent questions keeping you up at night as 2024 begins? Let us know via this survey: ⁠https://bit.ly/rf-pod-survey

On this episode, we share Jessica Valenti’s testimony before Senate Democrats on the state of abortion rights ahead of the Roe v. Wade anniversary.

Sam provides commentary highlighting the Supreme Court's efforts to expand their power & destroy the "administrative state" (aka upend functioning federal government), Trump taking Iowa, the state-federal standoff in Texas, what fascism is, why we can’t turn away and more.

Then, Sam talks with Jennifer Evans and Brian Griffith, co-editors of The New Fascism Syllabus, a collection of writings on the history of fascist, authoritarian, and populist movements and governments during the 20th and 21st centuries. 

Mentioned in this episode:

⁠Abortion On Demand and Without Apology Placard⁠

Why Right-Wing Activists Have Strong Opinions About the Supreme Court’s Big Fishing Regulations Case by Madiba Dennie

Trump Just Keeps Doing Appalling Things, and the Ranks of the Disengaged Are Growing by Michelle Goldberg

The Law Alone Cannot Curb Donald Trump’s Lawlessness by Dahlia Lithwick

Metaphors Journalists Live By written by Rick Perlstein

On the Erudite Idiocy of the Liberal-Centrist Intelligentsia by Paul Street 

The Supreme Court Is About to Seize Way More Power From Democratic Presidents by Mark Joseph Stern

The GOP Doesn’t Want to Punish Trans People—It Wants to Eradicate Them by Brynn Tannehill

My Prepared Remarks to Senate Dems by Jessica Valenti 

Related episodes:

Ruling Through The Courts When They Don’t Have The Votes With Dahlia Lithwick

The Nightmare Immigrants Face At The Texas Border with Faisal Al Juburi 

2023: The Year In Review

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Music for this episode: Penny the Snitch by Ikebe Shakedown

Sam talks with Faisal Al-Juburi from RAICES Texas to get an update on what has changed (and what hasn't) for our siblings seeking refuge as of January 2024 at the deadly US border. Follow their work and get involved at https://www.raicestexas.org/.

We want to hear from listeners! What are some of your most urgent questions keeping you up at night as 2024 begins? Let us know via this survey: https://bit.ly/rf-pod-survey

Related listening:

Fascist “Operation Lone Star” + Trump Indictment

Mentioned in this episode:

Did an Abortion Ban Cost a Young Texas Woman Her Life?

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Music for this episode: Penny the Snitch by Ikebe Shakedown

Paul Street, member of the RefuseFascism.org Editorial Board shares reflections on January 6, three years later. Read his reflections: On January 6 Three Years Later: The Trump Republi-Fascist Menace is Alive and Well. Subscribe to the Paul Street Report to read and hear more from Paul.  

Then, Sam talks with Ian Millhiser, senior correspondent at Vox, about  just some of the Trump trials, some attempts for accountability through the legal system and Trump's strategy to dodge it. He is the author of two books on the Supreme Court: Injustices: The Supreme Court's History of Comforting the Comfortable and Afflicting the Afflicted and The Agenda: How a Republican Supreme Court Is Reshaping America. Follow Ian on Threads at Ian.millhiser and read his articles on Vox here.

Mentioned in This Episode:

Deja Coup: Donald Trump and the Slow Civil War (Dahlia Lithwick interviews Jeff Sharlet on the latest episode of Amicus)

CBS News poll on Jan. 6 attack 3 years later: Though most still condemn, Republican disapproval continues to wane

A quarter of Americans believe FBI instigated Jan. 6, Post-UMD poll finds

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Music for this episode: Penny the Snitch by Ikebe Shakedown

(Just Some) Related Episodes on the attempted Trump Coup:

The Fantasy of the Reasonable Republican With Fred Wellman

Jeff Sharlet- The Undertow: Scenes From a Slow Civil War

The Continuing January 6 Coup

Proud Boys and The New Era of American Fascism 

Bradley Onishi: The Extremist History of White Christian Nationalism and What Comes Next

Elie Honig: The January 6th Insurrection Isn’t Over

Ruth Ben-Ghiat: The GOP is Now the Party of Autocracy

Henry Giroux: Trump is not Trumpism and Trumpism is not Dead

Sunsara Taylor Hosts Roundtable Discussion With Rosie O’Donnell, Jason Stanley, and Andy Zee: "Trump & the Whole Fascist Cabal Must Go Now!"

Why Is Accountability Important?

What Just Happened?

"Trump Will Not Concede - Americans Need to be Vigilant"

The First Few Days After A Coup Are Critical

As we close out 2023 and head into 2024 many of us are feeling a sense of deja vu - but with higher stakes. Take a trip through the events of 2023 with an eye to the future with some guests from this past year.

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Music for this episode: Penny the Snitch by Ikebe Shakedown

Guests featured on this episode:

Wendy Via ⁠Project 2025: Roadmap for Fascist Consolidation⁠

Coco Das ⁠Q&A With The Refuse Fascism Editorial Board⁠

Jeff Sharlet ⁠The Undertow: Scenes from a Slow Civil War⁠

Paul Street ⁠Your Questions Answered⁠

Thomas Zimmer ⁠The Insurrectionist House of Representatives⁠

Fred Wellman ⁠The Fantasy of the Reasonable Republican with Fred Wellman⁠

Sarah Posner ⁠The Nightmare That Is House Speaker Mike Johnson⁠

Brynn Tannehill ⁠The Sweeping and Intensifying Fascist Attack on Trans People⁠

David Gilbert ⁠The GOP Embrace of Fascist “Moms for Liberty”⁠

Dr. Marvin Dunn ⁠Teach Truth Not Lies⁠

Faisal Al-Juburi ⁠Fascist “Operation Lone Star” + Trump Indictment⁠

Keyanna Jones ⁠Stop Cop City⁠

Susan Neiman ⁠On Universalism Against Nationalism⁠

Mark Joseph Stern ⁠The Fascist Attack On Medication Abortion⁠

Dahlia Lithwick ⁠Ruling Through The Courts When They Don’t Have The Votes⁠

Madiba Dennie ⁠The Court Is Wrong; Color-Blindness Serving White Supremacy⁠

Mark Jacob ⁠Trump Indicted + Media Complicity in the Rise of Fascism⁠

Janet Ward ⁠Fascism in America: Past and Present

As we close out the year and look towards 2024, members of the RefuseFascism.org Editorial Board answer questions submitted by supporters of the pod. You can become one of those supporters at patreon.com/refusefascism.

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Mentioned in the Episode:

The Supreme Court Just Took on Abortion Again. It Won’t End Well.
Jason Stanley on "undermining propaganda" with fascism: "Trump is robbing democracy of any meaning"

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Music for this episode: Penny the Snitch by Ikebe Shakedown

Related episodes:

Project 2025: Roadmap to Fascist Consolidation

The Fascist Attack on Medication Abortion 

Ruling Through The Courts When They Don't Have The Votes

The Post-Dobbs Human Rights Emergency

Sam talks with scholar Matthew D. Taylor about House Speaker Mike Johnson and the significance and danger exemplified in Johnson's ascent to power. Taylor documents Johnson's links to leading voices in the Christian Charismatic movement (which were early adopters of the Trump cult, and unlike mainstream Evangelical leaders, have never split in their support for Trump). This movement also played a key role in mobilizing for the Jan 6 coup and continue to support Trump's quest for power in 2024. We explore what this tells us about the role and influence of Christian Nationalism, the New Apostolic Reformation movement, and the threat of theocracy in the United States. 

Dr. Matthew D. Taylor is a Senior Scholar and the Protestant Scholar at the Institute for Islamic. Christian, Jewish Studies  where he specializes in Muslim-Christian dialogue, Evangelical and Pentecostal movements, religious politics in the U.S., and American Islam. His forthcoming book The Violent Take It By Force: The Christian Movement that Is Sabotaging Our Democracy will be released in September 2024. On a podcast series “Charismatic Revival Fury: The New Apostolic Reformation” Taylor takes on the history of the New Apostolic Reformation the leaders and ideologies that fueled the siege of the capitol. Follow him on Twitter ⁠@TaylorMatthewD⁠. He is also on ⁠Substack⁠.

Mentioned in this episode:

Mike Johnson, Polite Extremist, by Matthew D. Taylor (The Bulwark)

The Key to Mike Johnson’s Christian Extremism Hangs Outside His Office by Bradley Onishi, Matthew D. Taylor (Rolling Stone)

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Music for this episode: Penny the Snitch by Ikebe Shakedown

Related episodes:

The Nightmare That Is House Speaker Mike Johnson

Jeff Sharlet-The Undertow: Scenes From a Slow Civil War

Christian Dominison and Fascist Momentum 

The Flag and the Cross and the Little Blue Bird 

Bradley Onishi: The Extremist History of White Christian Nationalism–and What Comes Next

Sam talks with Dr. Susan Neiman, Director of the Einstein Forum in Germany about the US-backed war Israel is waging against Gaza. Her latest book is Left Is Not Woke. Her first work of fiction, Nine Stories: A Berlin Novel, will be published in 2024. She has written two recent thought provoking essays for the The New York Review of Books:

Historical Reckoning Gone Haywire
Germans’ efforts to confront their country's criminal history and to root out antisemitism have shifted from vigilance to a philosemitic McCarthyism that threatens their rich cultural life. (Published October 19)

Germany on Edge
In recent weeks, Germany’s reflexive defenses of Israel and suppression of its critics have assumed a fevered pitch. (Published November 3)

More recently she authored The universalist tradition has been forgotten, the Enlightenment betrayed
The Hamas attack has devastated progressive Jews who are not prepared to celebrate the carnage as an act of liberation. (Published by The Newstatesman on November 29)

Mentioned in this episode:

A Trump dictatorship is increasingly inevitable. We should stop pretending. by Robert Kagen

‘A mass assassination factory’: Inside Israel’s calculated bombing of Gaza by Yuval Abraham

“The Only Democracy in the Middle East” Is a Fascist State by Paul Street

What the “Pause” in the Fighting in Gaza Has Not Paused: The Ongoing U.S.-Backed Palestinian Genocide by Israel from Revcom.us

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Music for this episode: Penny the Snitch by Ikebe Shakedown

Sam talks with Wendy Via, Co-Founder and President at The Global Project Against Hate and Extremism, about their analysis of the publicly announced plan for "day one" of the next presidential administration (presumably headed by leading Republifascist candidate Donald Trump). Their report The Far-Right Playbook for American Authoritarianism: Project 2023 states in part, "Their aims include “bringing together conservative allies with a common goal: to take back our country from the radical Left by developing a robust governing agenda and the right people to implement it.” And it has been reported, though denied, that internal Project 2025 discussions have centered around the next conservative president invoking the Insurrection Act on

Mentioned in this episode:

The Republi-Fascist Specter Looms by Paul Street
Biden’s Camp Cheers on Trump’s CNN Town Hall: An “Opposition” Party that is Worse than Useless by Coco Das (May 13, 2023, still relevant)
Behind the Curtain: Trump allies pre-screen loyalists for unprecedented power grab by Jim VandeHei and Mike Allen (Axios)
Sweeping Raids, Giant Camps and Mass Deportations: Inside Trump’s 2025 Immigration Plans by Charlie Savage, Maggie Haberman and Jonathan Swan (NYT)

The “Is Donald Trump a Fascist?” Debate Has Been Ended—by Donald Trump by Chris Lehmann (The Nation)

Donald Trump Is A Fascist from Stephen Colbert
Donations have surged to groups linked to conservative Project 2025 by Katherine Doyle (NBC)

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Music for this episode: Penny the Snitch by Ikebe Shakedown

Related Episodes:

The Nightmare That Is House Speaker Mike Johnson

Ruling Through The Courts When They Don’t Have The Votes With Dahlia Lithwick

Fascism in America: Past and Present