In this episode, Renee Sills is joined by astrologer and psychotherapist Jason Holley for an exploration of one of 2025’s most interesting and notable signatures - the pattern of retrograde planets moving between water and fire signs.

The two discuss the symbolism of retrogrades, the water and fire elements, and some of the ways they each work with astrology as practitioners of emergent, experiential, and experimental life practice and meaning-making.

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