Was craft brewers' 2025 less bad than we thought? The Brewers Association issued a revision to its annual production report, which places the industry at -4%, up from previously published -5.1%. In this Brewbound Podcast episode, Zoe and Jess break down what the changes mean for the challenged craft beer industry, as well as several middle-tier deals and recent scan data. This week's featured interviews highlight Victory Brewing co-founder Bill Covaleski and director of brewing operations Joe Slavick and Odell Brewing CEO Eric "Smitty" Smith. Both conversations were recorded during the Craft Brewers Conference in Philadelphia in April.