On this episode of the Spout Podcast, Tamara Dhia sits down with alt-pop artist Role Model (aka Tucker Pillsbury) for a refreshingly honest and hilarious conversation. Fresh off his headlining tour—and still riding high from his breakout hit “Sally (When the Wine Runs Out)”—Role Model opens up about everything from bringing his mom on stage to his viral TikTok moment with Renee Rapp (aka “Mommy”).

He shares the accidental magic behind his biggest song, the truth about internet rumors (yes, there’s a fake Role Model out there), and why the name “Sally” just sang better—even if she’s fictional. The two also dig into his acting debut alongside Natalie Portman and Mark Ruffalo, how he DMs with Ed Sheeran (email-only, naturally), and what it’s like being invited to an exclusive “lesbian party.”

You’ll laugh, you’ll swoon, and you might even rethink your stage name.

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