Rooted in Truth, Growing in Freedom, Prospering in Life with Josie & Symone

EPISODE SUMMARY

In this inspiring episode of the Rooted Podcast, Josie and Symone sit down with Jason Hewlett, an award-winning speaker, Hall of Fame keynote entertainer, and author of The Promise. From his early days impersonating Elton John on the Las Vegas strip to his mission today of spreading joy through faith, family, and authenticity, Jason shares his remarkable journey of discovering his gifts, making life-changing promises, and using his signature moves to inspire others. Jason dives into why promises are stronger than goals, how to identify and magnify your unique talents, and why keeping your word is the foundation of both leadership and faith. You’ll also hear hilarious impersonations, incredible stories, and practical ways to uncover your God-given signature moves. This episode will leave you laughing, encouraged, and equipped to live more rooted in joy, authenticity, and truth.

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TIMESTAMP SUMMARY

• 01:00 – Jason’s Journey – From Vegas stages to keynote speaking
• 03:00 – Playing Elton John & Ricky Martin – Las Vegas career beginnings
• 05:00 – Discovering the Gift – Teachers and mentors who shaped Jason
• 10:00 – Turning Down Vegas Fame – Choosing family and faith over glitz
• 12:00 – Promises vs Goals – Why promises are sacred and lasting
• 19:00 – Signature Moves – Identifying, clarifying, and magnifying your gifts
• 22:00 – The TJ Bus Story – Creating joy through simple promises
• 26:00 – The ICM Process – Free tool for finding your gifts
• 30:00 – Rejection to Success – How fear and failure shape greatness
• 36:00 – Favorite Impressions – Elton John, Billy Joel, and dinosaurs
• 40:00 – Resources & Closing – Where to find Jason’s book and daily content

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NOTABLE QUOTES

1. “Why set a goal when you can make a promise? A promise is sacred.”
2. “Imperfect motives can still lead to a perfect mission.”
3. “Your signature moves are the gifts God gave you — don’t hide them.”
4. “Without promises, we drift. With promises, we live with purpose.”
5. “We are performers whether on stage or at home — shine your light.”
6. “Rejection is often the greatest gift that leads us to success.”
7. “Don’t bury your talents. Multiply them.”
8. “Everyone has signature moves — identify, clarify, and magnify them.”
9. “The promise you keep to your family is the most important one of all.”
10. “When you’re rooted in truth, your light shines brighter for the world.”

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RESOURCES MENTIONED

• Jason Hewlett Website: https://jasonhewlett.com
• ICM Process (Identify, Clarify, Magnify): https://jasonhewlett.com/icm
• The Promise (Jason’s Book): https://a.co/d/6zyuOP1

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EPISODE SUMMARY:

In this heartfelt and inspiring episode of the Rooted Podcast, Josie and Symone sit down with Pastor Keith Kerstetter, a recently retired pastor who served in Willmar, Minnesota for 20 years. From his unexpected entry into ministry to his lifelong journey of feeling like an outsider, Keith vulnerably shares how God redefined his identity, reshaped his purpose, and gave him deep roots in grace and truth. Together, they talk about spiritual growth, the importance of relationships over rules, how fear often holds people back, and what it means to truly live for an audience of one. Whether you're navigating singleness, questioning your calling, or needing a reminder of God's redeeming love, this conversation will leave you encouraged, grounded, and inspired.

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TIMESTAMP SUMMARY:

• 02:00 – Childhood Roots: Advanced education, outsider syndrome, and 2am friends
• 06:00 – Early Career: From juvenile court to school administrator
• 07:30 – Finding Faith: The slow awakening to Jesus and salvation
• 13:00 – Insecurity & Calling: Becoming a pastor despite feeling unqualified
• 17:00 – Identity in Christ: Pre-decisions, people pleasing, and an audience of one
• 23:00 – Fear and Psychology: Only two innate fears and how the rest are learned
• 25:00 – Rules vs Relationship: Church culture, messy grace, and the carpet story
• 31:00 – Parenting Parallels: Rules flow from relationship
• 35:00 – Salvation & Motives: It’s not how you get there—just get there
• 40:00 – Spiritual Growth: Crawl, walk, run—mapping the discipleship journey
• 44:00 – Generosity Redefined: Beyond money—time, energy, and heart
• 46:00 – Dating & Singleness: Keith’s late marriage and advice for waiting well
• 50:00 – Final Encouragement: Play to an audience of one and live at the speed of love

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NOTABLE QUOTES:

• "Jesus moved at the speed of love—and it’s hard to love people when you're in a hurry."
• "You can go at the speed of life or you can go at the speed of love."
• "Imperfect motives lead to a perfect Savior."
• "Play to an audience of one. Live for the applause of the nail-scarred hands."
• "I didn’t want to look back and say I squandered singleness by whining instead of winning."
• "Without Christ, you have a hopeless end. With Christ, you have an endless hope."
• "When you know you're weak, you rely on Jesus' strength—that’s when miracles happen."
• "There’s a big difference between proximity to Jesus and intimacy with Jesus."
• "God doesn't just use us in spite of our weaknesses—He often uses us because of them."

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RESOURCES MENTIONED:

• Willmar Assembly of God Website (discipleship roadmap and resources): https://willmarag.org
• Promise Keepers Movement (1990s men’s ministry encouraging connection and accountability)
• Micah 6:8 – Keith’s life verse: "To act justly, love mercy, and walk humbly with your God."

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EPISODE SUMMARY

In this deeply insightful episode of the Rooted Podcast, hosts Josie and Symone Harms sit down with their longtime family healthcare provider, Dr. Troy Spurrill, founder of the Synapse Center for Health and Healing. Blending functional medicine, neuroscience, chiropractic care, and faith, Dr. Troy reveals how healing isn’t just physical — it’s mental, emotional, and spiritual. He shares personal stories, scientific insights, and miraculous testimonies from patients around the world who have experienced profound healing. From the dangers of seed oils and trans fats to the impact of mindset and unforgiveness on cellular health, this episode is packed with wisdom that can transform how you view your body and your relationship with God.

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TIMESTAMP SUMMARY

• 0:00 – Introduction to Dr. Troy and his impact on the hosts' family
• 2:00 – Dr. Troy's journey from pre-med to chiropractic and functional medicine
• 5:00 – Personal health crisis and discovering God’s role in healing
• 7:00 – How stress impacts the body: triad of health explained
• 9:00 – Practical steps to reverse stress: sleep, clean eating, scripture
• 10:00 – The truth about food: organic vs. modified
• 14:00 – Seed oils & fats: what to avoid and what to consume
• 17:00 – What’s wrong with the healthcare system & the power of functional medicine
• 20:00 – Communication breakdown = disease: root cause analysis
• 23:00 – How mindset and belief affect your ability to heal
• 26:00 – The science of cells, forgiveness, and biblical healing
• 28:00 – Real-life miracles: from schizophrenia to financial provision
• 35:00 – Waiting on God's timing in healing and purpose
• 39:00 – Identity in Christ and emotional healing stories
• 44:00 – Dr. Troy’s final truth: fear of the Lord, knowing your identity, and becoming who God made you to be

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NOTABLE QUOTES

1. "If God made it, it's good. If man changed it, beware."
2. "We're living too short and dying too long."
3. "An excuse is just a reason wrapped in the skin of a lie."
4. "Stress causes your cells to fold in and block healing."
5. "Knowing your God-given identity is the foundation of health."
6. "There are no side effects to God’s treatment."
7. "Your mindset affects your chemistry — faith literally heals."
8. "We’re not just a body — we are mind, spirit, and purpose."
9. "God rarely does the same thing twice — healing looks different for everyone."

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RESOURCES MENTIONED

• Dr. Troy Clinic: https://www.officialsynapse.com
• Dr. Troy Podcast: https://www.officialsynapse.com/synapse-media/podcasts/

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EPISODE SUMMARY:

In this lively, inspiring, and deeply faith-filled episode, Josie and Simone sit down with author, content creator, and entrepreneur Zach Windahl to talk about faith deconstruction, Biblical clarity, spiritual growth, and joy. Known for his best-selling books like The Bible Study and See the Good, Zach shares his journey from childhood entrepreneurship (yes, shark tooth necklaces at age 9) to becoming a Bible teacher and brand builder with a mission to help people fall in love with Scripture. We dive into how Zach reconnected with his faith after a season of doubt, what it was like studying the Bible in Australia, and how his new book, The Bible Simplified, is helping people understand God’s Word more deeply than ever before. This episode is packed with Biblical wisdom, behind-the-scenes stories, practical encouragement, and a ton of joy.

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TIMESTAMP SUMMARY:

• [00:00] – Intro to Zach Windahl
• [03:00] – Shark teeth and slime
• [07:00] – Zach’s mom’s cancer, early faith, and more
• [10:00] – Reading the Bible in 90 days & studying it deeply in Australia
• [14:00] – Understanding the Bible as a unified story
• [18:00] – The importance of historical and cultural context in Bible reading
• [21:00] – The Bible Study and the Sunday brand
• [25:00] – Practical tips to reading the Bible
• [29:00] – See the Good and Zach’s personal mindset
• [32:00] – Growing up with gratitude through trials
• [36:00] – Staying grounded in a world praise
• [39:00] – Listening prayer and hearing God’s voice
• [43:00] – Zach’s writing process and building a book from scratch
• [45:00] – Final encouragement: fear of the Lord, wisdom, and purpose
• [46:00] – Where to find Zach’s books, content, and audiobook release

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NOTABLE QUOTES:

1. “God doesn’t want to be number one—He wants to be at the center.”
2. “The Bible isn’t random stories. It’s one unified story pointing to Jesus.”
3. “Reading Scripture without context is like reading mail that wasn’t meant for you.”
4. “Gratitude changes everything—even in suffering, God is still good.”
5. “I wrote the book I wish I had when I was trying to understand the Bible.”
6. “The Bible wasn’t written to Western minds—it’s full of imagery, history, and poetry.”
7. “You won’t hear God until you learn to stop talking and listen.”
8. “If you’re bored with the Bible, change your pace. Read it in 30 days. Go wild.”

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RESOURCES MENTIONED:

• 📘 Books by Zach Windahl:
• The Bible Simplified – https://a.co/d/axdNT4G
• The Bible Study – https://a.co/d/bXOydlq
• See the Good – https://a.co/d/bYnbPUt
• 🌐 Website: zachwindahl.com
• 📱 Instagram: @zachwindahl
• How to Hear God by Pete Greig
• Hearing God by Nathan Finocchio

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EPISODE SUMMARY

It’s our 30th episode—and you know what that means… it’s Q&A time! Every 10 episodes, Josie and Symone turn the mics on themselves to answer your questions—from the silly to the spiritual. This episode is full of laughs, powerful God moments, personal stories, Bible reflections, and real talk about fear, obedience, identity, and joy.

You’ll hear everything from their biggest regrets and favorite childhood toys, to what it means to follow Holy Spirit promptings and pray the promises, not the problems. Josie shares the story of becoming a state press secretary by surrendering her dreams to God, while Symone talks about a powerful “no” to LA that became a “yes” to something better. They also dive into Bible stories they’d love to witness, what makes a great husband, and the importance of not letting fear dictate your steps. This is the most fun + faith-filled Q&A yet—and it’s proof that when you're Rooted in truth, the freedom and prosperity will follow.

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TIMESTAMP SUMMARY:

• [01:30] – Our first business venture
• [02:30] – Strangest thing we’ve ever eaten (baby octopus & dirty gum!)
• [04:00] – Our biggest regrets 
• [07:00] – Fear vs. faith
• [08:00] – How we stay positive on hard days
• [10:30] – Psalm 23 in real life
• [12:00] – Decompressing with friends and family
• [13:30] – If we could witness any Bible story live
• [18:00] – “God wouldn’t ask it from you if He didn’t put it in you”
• [19:00] – Game show dreams: Shark Tank and Dancing with the Stars
• [20:30] – HOT TAKES: COVID was kinda fun, Star Wars Episode 8 isn’t that bad
• [23:30] – A cool God moment
• [27:00] – How a press secretary dream turned into a real job
• [33:00] – “Gaze at God, glance at life” – fixing your focus
• [34:30] – Favorite childhood toys: American Girl Dolls, Legos, and play kitchens
• [36:00] – Top 5 husband qualities
• [40:00] – Fruits of the Spirit in relationships + loving Jesus more than anything
• [41:00] – What’s your current phone wallpaper and what’s the story behind it?
• [42:00] – Final Truths to be rooted in
• [46:30] – Wrapping up + what’s coming next on the podcast

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NOTABLE QUOTES:

1. “Don’t pray the problem—pray the promises.”
2. “God wouldn’t ask it from you if He didn’t put it in you.”
3. “You are currently living at least one of the prayers you used to pray.”
4. “Fear and faith both ask you to believe in something you can’t see—you choose.”
5. “God always has more. He’s not just enough—He’s abundance.”
6. “Courage is fear that has said its prayers.”
7. “If God plants a seed in you, He will water it and make it grow.”
8. “The Holy Spirit nudges us—say the thing, encourage the person, pray the prayer.”
9. “Gaze at God, glance at life. Focus on what lasts.”

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RESOURCES MENTIONED:

• Acts 16 (Paul & Silas in prison)
• 2 Kings (oil miracle)

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EPISODE SUMMARY:

In this vulnerable and wisdom-packed episode of Rooted, Josie and Simone welcome Josh Loy—licensed mental health counselor, founder of New Ground Counseling, and a pastor at Reach Church in Seattle. With over 2,000 clients served, Josh brings profound insights into mental health, healing from shame, sexual struggles, and the intersection of faith and counseling. Josh shares his personal journey—from a pastor in a high-demand church environment to experiencing burnout, deep shame, and ultimately healing through counseling. He talks candidly about why safe spaces matter, why many Christians carry secret shame (especially around sexuality), and how true transformation happens when we’re fully known and still fully loved. This episode offers life-giving truth for anyone feeling stuck in cycles of guilt, fear, or performance—and invites listeners to experience the grace of Jesus in their most vulnerable places.

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TIMESTAMP SUMMARY:

[02:00] – Growing up in a ministry family + early compassion for others

[07:00] – The unique safety of counseling vs. the church

[09:00] – Breaking myths about counseling & why men often avoid it

[12:00] – Integrating faith into mental health work

[16:00] – Learning to see clients the way Jesus does

[17:00] – Most common struggles today: anxiety, depression, and sexual shame

[19:00] – Shocking porn stats & why the church must talk about sexual sin

[21:00] – How safe spaces break the power of shame

[26:00] – Josh’s personal story of rejection, failure, and healing

[33:00] – Group therapy + being fully seen and fully loved

[36:00] – What true transformation looks like in counseling

[39:00] – Knowing God's love vs. experiencing His love

[48:00] – To be fully known and fully loved—that is the gospel.

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NOTABLE QUOTES:

“To be fully known and fully loved—that’s the gospel.”

“Shame says, ‘You are uniquely broken.’ Grace says, ‘You are deeply loved.’”

“Jesus isn’t surprised by your struggle—He wants to meet you in it.”

“Healing begins when we bring the hardest things into the safest spaces.”

“We talk about grace, but many of us still live like we have to earn love.”

“Transformation happens in relationships—especially the safe ones.”

“So many Christians are drowning in shame and silence. We need to open the conversation.”

“People don’t just need theology—they need a lived experience of being loved.”

“Your sexual story is part of your human story—and it deserves grace too.”

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RESOURCES MENTIONED:

• https://www.newgroundcounseling.com/
• https://reachchurch.cc/

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EPISODE SUMMARY:

In this episode of Rooted, Josie and Symone welcome the ever-joyful and deeply wise Heather Flies—a seasoned junior high pastor, national speaker, and author with more than 30 years in youth ministry. Heather brings her signature honesty, humor, and biblical depth to this conversation about finding identity in Christ, healing from past wounds, and walking in joy regardless of circumstance. Heather opens up about growing up in a conservative church where women weren’t pastors, how she discovered her calling through youth ministry, and how abuse, bullying, and heartbreak shaped her—but never defined her. She speaks powerfully on how to walk through forgiveness, how to place Jesus at the center, and why the valley seasons often bring the most growth. Whether you’re a student, leader, or simply navigating life’s ups and downs, Heather’s testimony is filled with laughter, authenticity, and life-changing truths.

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TIMESTAMP SUMMARY:

• [00:00] – Christmas music 12 months a year 
• [03:00] – Heather’s dream job and passion for junior high ministry
• [06:00] – National speaking
• [10:00] – Longevity in ministry
• [14:00] – Struggles with bullying and who God made her to be
• [17:00] – What it means to have your identity rooted in Christ
• [21:00] – Keeping Jesus on the throne daily
• [25:00] – Boundaries, toxic friendships, and forgiveness
• [29:00] – Daily forgiveness and the cost of bitterness
• [35:00] – God using your pain for purpose
• [38:00] – Growth in the valleys
• [42:00] – Heather’s current season
• [44:00] – God has more than you can imagine

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NOTABLE QUOTES:

1. “God doesn’t want to be number one in your life. He wants to be at the center.”
2. “The valleys are where the growth happens—don’t be afraid of them.”
3. “Your past affects you, but it doesn’t define you.”
4. “Forgiveness isn’t for them—it’s for you. Bitterness gives someone power they don’t deserve.”
5. “God is for you and has more than you could ask or imagine.”
6. “Celebrate how God made you—and give others permission to do the same.”
7. “Don’t settle for a counterfeit identity rooted in performance, appearance, or relationships.”
8. “The world lures us into false identities. Jesus invites us into freedom.”
9. “Sometimes God makes you lie down in green pastures for your good—rest is holy too.”

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RESOURCES MENTIONED:

• Scripture References: Psalm 23, Ephesians 3:20, Romans 8:28, Genesis 50:20, Philippians 3
• Website: wooddale.org
• Book: https://a.co/d/6j5yqC6
• Instagram: @heatherflies

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EPISODE SUMMARY:

In this unforgettable episode of Rooted, Josie and Simone sit down with Ruth Ann, an 84-year-old woman whose life story is woven with the unshakable power of prayer, radical forgiveness, and deep joy in the face of tragedy. From growing up in a Christian home during the 1940s to experiencing deep rebellion, grief, and loss—including being hit by a train just like her mother—Ruth Ann has seen God’s hand in every season. She shares how a foundation of daily prayer, Scripture, and God’s steadfast love helped her through devastating moments—like her mother’s sudden death, a broken marriage, and the painful loss of her daughter. Her words will make you laugh, cry, and pause in awe of God’s grace. If you’ve ever wondered what it means to finish the race with joy, this episode is a front-row seat to a life rooted in faith.

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TIMESTAMP SUMMARY:

• [01:00] — Holy jeans, humor, and growing up in the 1940s
• [03:00] — A Christian childhood marked by daily prayer
• [06:00] — Rebellion in high school, sneaking out, and early marriage at seventeen
• [08:00] — Tragic death of her mother in a train accident
• [10:00] — Becoming a young single mom, finding love again
• [14:00] — Struggling to forgive and learning to pray for enemies
• [17:00] — Her husband’s quiet transformation through prayer
• [18:00] — God’s protection during her own train accident
• [20:00] — Living each day with the mission to encourage someone
• [22:00] — How to start praying if you don’t know how
• [26:00] — Losing her husband and daughter—and still choosing joy
• [28:00] — Loving people without loving what they do
• [29:00] — Final encouragement: Stay rooted in God’s love and keep smiling

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NOTABLE QUOTES:

1. "I thought I was going to see Jesus… and somehow I walked away from the train."
2. "Keep praying. You may not see it yet—but one day you will."
3. "I never stopped believing. Even through rebellion, grief, and loss—Jesus never left me."
4. "You don’t need long prayers. Just be consistent and keep talking to God."
5. "My mother’s prayers are why I’m still here."
6. "When you can’t forgive someone, start praying for them. The rest will come."
7. "Stay in the Word. That’s where the joy comes from."
8. "If anyone asks why I’m smiling—it’s because I have Jesus in my heart."

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RESOURCES MENTIONED:

• Psalm 91 – Ruth Ann often prays this chapter over others
• Scripture for prayer encouragement – "Call those things that be not as though they are" (Romans 4:17)
• Worship Prayer – "This is the day that the Lord has made…" (Psalm 118:24)
• Song Mentioned – Keep on Praying (artist not specified, but referenced by theme)

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EPISODE SUMMARY:

In this compelling episode of Rooted, Josie and Symone sit down with Emily Cox, a psychology major at Bethel University, to hear her powerful story of redemption. Emily vulnerably shares how she grew up in a strong Christian home but was slowly pulled away by New Age practices like manifestation, crystals, and astrology—believing she could find fulfillment apart from Christ. Through her testimony, Emily describes the spiritual emptiness she experienced and the moment God lovingly drew her back to Himself. She explains how deception often comes disguised as "light" and how true peace, identity, and joy are found only in Jesus. If you’ve ever struggled with discerning truth or wondered how subtle lies can creep in, this episode will speak deeply to you. Emily's journey reminds us that no sin is bigger than the blood of Jesus and that God is always ready to welcome us home.

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TIMESTAMP SUMMARY:

• [00:00] — Introduction: Meet Emily Cox from Bethel University
• [04:00] — High school years: TikTok, Covid, and the slow pull into New Age practices
• [06:00] — Manifestation, crystals, and chasing counterfeit fruits of the Spirit
• [08:00] — Why New Age practices left her more anxious and empty
• [10:00] — The spiritual dangers of astrology and manifestation culture
• [15:00] — The turning point: Exposure, conviction, and the kindness of God
• [20:00] — Recognizing the power of the spiritual realm and the armor of God
• [22:00] — Building new community and confessing struggles for the first time
• [26:00] — Emily’s final encouragement: No sin is bigger than Jesus' blood

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NOTABLE QUOTES:

1. "No sin is bigger than the blood of Jesus."
2. "The enemy counterfeits God's truth just enough to look appealing—but it's still a lie."
3. "Manifestation might promise fulfillment, but it leaves you more empty than before."
4. "Darkness only thrives in secrecy; freedom comes when we bring it into the light."
5. "I thought I could manifest joy, but true joy is a fruit of the Spirit."
6. "Even when I ran away, Jesus was waiting with open arms."
7. "Spiritual deception often enters through doors we think are harmless."
8. "We overcome by the blood of the Lamb and the word of our testimony."
9. "True love isn’t a feeling or a trend—it’s a person: Jesus."

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RESOURCES MENTIONED:

• Ephesians 6:12 — "Our struggle is not against flesh and blood..."
• Revelation 12:11 — "They overcame him by the blood of the Lamb and the word of their testimony."

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EPISODE SUMMARY:

In this heart-opening episode of Rooted, Christian recording artist and storyteller Jason Gray joins Josie and Symone for a deeply personal conversation about vulnerability, forgiveness, and how God uses our brokenness. Jason shares about his childhood, the absence of his father, the painful journey through divorce, and how these experiences shaped his relationship with God—and his music. We talk about how his speech impediment became one of the most powerful tools of his ministry, the healing power of language, and how “bringing it all” to Jesus changes everything. This episode is packed with rich insights about grief, joy, songwriting, and learning to listen to the Holy Spirit in the present moment. Jason also gives us a sneak peek into his upcoming book and children’s project—and throws in a few laughs (prosthetic leg air violin, anyone?). Don’t miss this one!

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TIMESTAMP SUMMARY:

[00:00] — Intro to Jason Gray and connection with Josie and Symone

[03:00] — Devotional story: worship through our actions

[07:00] — Relationship with his earthly father

[15:00] — Learning to forgive through suffering and failure

[20:00] — Writing songs from pain, compassion, and healing

[27:00] — Healing language & learning to speak kindly to ourselves

[31:00] — Backstory of “Bring It All” and using weaknesses in ministry

[35:00] — Overcoming insecurity in early performances

[38:00] — Why people connect more with our weaknesses than our strengths

[41:00] — Writing music for every door: joy, grief, vulnerability

[50:00] — Lightning Round: favorite song, weirdest concert moment, hidden talent

[54:00] — Final encouragement: the Holy Spirit speaks in the now

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NOTABLE QUOTES:

• “God doesn’t use me in spite of my weakness. He uses me because of it.”
• “The Holy Spirit only speaks in real time. You have to be present to hear Him.”
• “Wisdom is healed pain.”
• “Our worship has more to do with how we treat people than the songs we sing.”
• “If you bring your brokenness to God, He will make something beautiful out of it.”
• “Our language matters—what we say to ourselves shapes how we see God and others.”
• “Clichés become clichés because they are so true they can’t be ignored.”
• “People admire your strengths, but they connect to your weaknesses.”
• “Be rooted in the Holy Now—that’s where the Spirit speaks.”

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RESOURCES MENTIONED:

• Jason's SongsSongs Referenced: “The Wound is Where the Light Gets In” | “Bring It All” | “Celebrate” | “Good to Be Alive” | “Laugh Out Loud” | “Glory Days”
• Jason's Devotional Book-in-Progress
• Jason's Children’s Book: Sparrows
• People Mentioned: Frederick Buechner | Elizabeth Kübler-Ross | Craig Groeschel

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