Hi there and a very warm welcome to Season 5 Episode 18 of People Soup – it’s Ross McIntosh here. 

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This week, it's something a bit different. I was invited to be a guest on the Shit Shower and Self-Care Podcast by Dr Steve Jones. Now Steve is a friend of the show. He's already been on People Soup talking about his brilliant book, ACT made Yorkshire. Since then - he's got the podcast bug and launched his own, where with his guests he explores

What does it mean to be a man?

What does mental health mean to men?

How are we able to talk more about the stuff that we might otherwise keep tucked away at the back of our sock drawer?

Now our chat was spread across two episodes so I thought I'd share the second one - and just to flag - I use the f word on more than one occasion in the chat. I also reflect on my experience of being a gay man in the workplace, gay role models when I was growing up and how we're all still learning in the workplace.