ECFR's director Mark Leonard checks in with ECFR's Policy Fellows Ulrike Franke and Ellie Geranmayeh after the first day of the Munich Security Conference 2018. They discuss the hot topics so far - European defence, the end of the liberal order and technology - and give an outlook on the more explosive discussions related to the Middle East that will be discussed on Sunday.The podcast was recorded on Friday, 16 February 2018.BookshelfMunich Security Report 2018: To the Brink - and BackMSC2018 Opening Statements by Ursula von der Leyen and Florence ParlyJim Walsh: Why North Korea and Iran get accused of nuclear collusionFranklin Foren: World Without Mind - The Existential Threat of Big TechPicture: MSC / Kuhlmann

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