Perrin Drumm is a writer, editor, and head of publishing at A24. To hear more from our archive, find The Design of Business | The Business of Design on <a href='https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/the-design-of-business-the-business-of-design/id1165804333?mt=2'>Apple podcasts</a>, or <a href='https://designobserver.com/show.dbbd.xml'>your favorite podcast app</a>!

Perrin Drumm is a writer, editor, and head of publishing at A24. To hear more from our archive, find The Design of Business | The Business of Design on Apple podcasts, or your favorite podcast app!

Perrin Drumm is a writer, editor, and head of publishing at A24. To hear more from our archive, find The Design of Business | The Business of Design on <a href="https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/the-design-of-business-the-business-of-design/id1165804333?mt=2" rel="noopener noreferrer">Apple podcasts</a>, or <a href="https://designobserver.com/show.dbbd.xml" rel="noopener noreferrer">your favorite podcast app</a>!

S10E4: Perrin Drumm

The Design of Business | The Business of Design explores how design shapes, and is shaped by, the world around us. Hosted by Ellen McGirt, the podcast features conversations with visionary leaders from a wide range of industries, from architecture and technology to journalism and retail. Together, they examine creative practices, challenge conventional thinking, and explore how design drives business, innovation, and social change. In Season 12 of DB|BD, host Ellen McGirt explores Designing for the Unknown—how visionary designers, architects, and thinkers navigate uncertainty, from climate adaptation to technological disruption. This season, we’re looking at the bold ideas reshaping our cities, industries, and ways of living in an unpredictable world.

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The Design of Business | The Business of Design explores how design shapes, and is shaped by, the world around us. Hosted by Ellen McGirt, the podcast features conversations with visionary leaders from a wide range of industries, from architecture and technology to journalism and retail. Together, they examine creative practices, challenge conventional thinking, and explore how design drives business, innovation, and social change. In Season 12 of DB|BD, host Ellen McGirt explores Designing for the Unknown—how visionary designers, architects, and thinkers navigate uncertainty, from climate adaptation to technological disruption. This season, we’re looking at the bold ideas reshaping our cities, industries, and ways of living in an unpredictable world.

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