What if racism isn’t primarily about ignorance or hate, but about greed?

In this episode, Dave Fitch and guest co-host Gino Curcuruto sit down with Dr. Malcolm Foley, pastor, scholar, and author of The Anti-Greed Gospel: Why the Love of Money is the Root of Racism and How the Church Can Create a New Way Forward.

Dr. Foley unpacks how economic exploitation lies at the heart of racial injustice—and why Jesus’ warning that “you cannot serve both God and mammon” is as urgent today as ever. Together they explore the demonic cycle of self-interest that perpetuates racism through exploitation, violence, and lies, and they offer a vision for Christian communities shaped by deep economic solidarity, creative nonviolence, and prophetic truth-telling.

🎙️ In This Episode:

• Why greed—not hate—is the true root of racism
• How capitalism and racial hierarchy became intertwined
• The role of mammon as a spiritual power deforming the church
• Why anti-racism and reparations often miss the deeper structural sin
• How the church can become a visible alternative to exploitation and fear

📌 Highlights:

• [00:09:00] Race as a “demonic cycle” of exploitation, violence, and lies
• [00:13:00] How greed drives racialized slavery, lynching, and modern inequities
• [00:18:00] Why the church must flee mammon, not just manage it
• [00:24:00] The Sermon on the Mount as a blueprint for kingdom economics
• [00:35:00] How local churches can witness through economic solidarity and love of enemies

We can’t end racism without confronting greed. The good news: the church already holds the resources to resist mammon and embody a new economy of grace.

📚 Resources Mentioned:

• The Anti-Greed Gospel by Malcolm Foley (Brazos Press)
• Asian Americans and the Spirit of Racial Capitalism by Jonathan Tran
• God’s Reign and the End of Empires by Antonio González
• Reckoning with Power by David Fitch
• Mosaic Church Waco
• Malcolm Foley at Baylor University

What if a true test of discipleship isn’t how we treat differences but how we handle money? How could your church become a community of economic solidarity, creative peace, and prophetic truth in the face of mammon’s pull?