In this episode of our series on “Healthy Hustle,” our goal is to break down the dichotomy between hard work and rest, equipping you to run at a sustainable pace in this season. But before we even get to that conversation, Taylor Persello hops on and lists 5 gifts that we can give our Pastors. They’re simple, they’re actionable, and they will propel you forward in your leadership if you apply them today. Following that, my friend Jonathan O’Reilly, an executive pastor at The Rock in Kansas City, MO, joins me in a conversation with Pace Hartfield! Pace was an incredible second chair leader for years, and he now pastors One Place Church in Coeur d’Alene, Idaho. The three of us chase down the question of “how can I avoid burnout?”