Writer Ana Gavrilovska joins co-hosts V.V. Ganeshananthan and Whitney Terrell to talk about her recent article for Current Affairs, "Thomas Pynchon Saw American Fascism Coming." Gavrilovska reflects on Pynchon’s long career and his interest in writing about systems, how his time as a technical writer at Boeing informs his work, his classic novels Gravity’s Rainbow and The Crying of Lot 49, and his new novel, Shadow Ticket. She explains why Shadow Ticket’s fictional Airmont family seems like stand-ins for the Trumps and considers the significance of a food-stuffed film that cheese mogul Bruno Airmont watches with his daughter Daphne as many ordinary people go hungry. The three also discuss Paul Thomas Anderson’s Oscar-winning movie One Battle After Another, which takes inspiration from Pynchon’s novel Vineland. Gavrilovska reads from Shadow Ticket. 

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Ana Gavrilovska

• "Thomas Pynchon Saw American Fascism Coming" | Current Affairs 

Thomas Pynchon

• Shadow Ticket
• Vineland
• Gravity’s Rainbow
• The Crying of Lot 49
• Inherent Vice
• V.
• Mason & Dixon
• Bleeding Edge
• Against the Day

Others

• One Battle After Another (2025)

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