Journalist Matthew Wolfe joins co-hosts Whitney Terrell and V.V. Ganeshananthan to discuss his new book Fires in the Night: The Earth Liberation Front, the FBI, and a Secret History of Eco-Sabotage. Wolfe talks about the history of environmental activism, including its rarely discussed bipartisan past, and explains how industry made climate change a Democratic and progressive issue. He reflects on the impact of the Earth Liberation Front, which originated in England and developed another home in Oregon. He also unpacks their three guiding principles, including preventing harm to people, and considers law enforcement’s reaction to the radical group’s arson tactics. Wolfe analyzes the post-9/11 shift in environmental activism and the significance of the term “eco-terrorism,” which moved from describing harm done to the environment to those taking radical actions in the planet’s defense. He reads from Fires in the Night.

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Matthew Wolfe

• Fires in the Night: The Earth Liberation Front, the FBI, and a Secret History of Eco-Sabotage

Others

• Silent Spring by Rachel Carson

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Writer Deb Olin Unferth joins co-hosts Whitney Terrell and Christian Barter to discuss the enduring power of apocalyptic narratives and her new novel Earth 7. The novel follows the life of Dylan, the daughter of a researcher, cast adrift on an earth that has been depopulated by war and environmental collapse. As Dylan’s mother tries to replicate and preserve the DNA of the earth’s now extinct flora and fauna, Unferth examines how proposed scientific solutions to global warming–like carbon capture, building artificial reefs, or shooting precious metals and sulfur into the sky–may exacerbate the problems they are meant to solve. She talks about the role apocalyptic narrative plays in a world that is, in many ways, already experiencing the apocalypse. She also reflects on her decision to “lean in” to the possibility of love and hope in the last third of the novel and explains how her optimism stems from the amazing beauty of the earth that we are living on now, even as we destroy it. She reads from Earth 7.

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Deb Olin Unferth

• Earth 7
• Barn 8
• Wait Till You See Me Dance
• I, Parrot

Others

• “The Second Coming”|William Butler Yeats
• “September 1, 1939” |W. H. Auden
• “Waking Early Sunday Morning” |Robert Lowell

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Novelist Ben Fountain joins co-hosts Whitney Terrell and V.V. Ganeshananthan to discuss his new book, Rasputin Swims the Potomac. Fountain's satire, set in the not-to-distant future, describes the furor, scandal, and hysterical “weeping sickness” that arrives in the wake of the fictional President’s decision to seek an unprecedented third term. Fountain talks about the technical choices he has made to fictionalize Trump, including the decision to redact his name. He also reflects on the roles of the other characters in the novel, including Clarence Thomas Jr., a Black reporter unrelated to the Supreme Court Judge; Faith Spack, the President’s loyal aide; and Rasputin, a professional wrestler who can cure the “weeping sickness” and begins to rival the President in popularity. Fountain explains how the political times of the original Rasputin increasingly mirror our own and reads from Rasputin Swims the Potomac.

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This podcast is produced by Christian Barter and Whitney Terrell.

Ben Fountain

• Rasputin Swims the Potomac
• Devil Makes Three
• Beautiful Country Burn Again: Democracy, Rebellion, and Revolution
• Billy Lynn's Long Halftime Walk
• Brief Encounters with Che Guevara: Stories

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Historian Sarah Pearsall joins co-hosts Jennifer Maritza McCauley and Whitney Terrell to discuss her new book, Freedom Round the Globe: a World History of the American Revolution. As we approach the 250th anniversary of the Declaration of Independence, Pearsall talks about how she chose to write about the global context of the American Revolution. She explains how the hanging of an indigenous woman in Detroit, ordered by British colonizers of the area, led to protests that prefigured the American Revolution. She outlines how tax protests in St. Kitts and the East India Company’s actions in South Asia influenced the thinking of revolutionary leaders in the thirteen colonies. She also discusses the role that war crimes played in the public relations battle of the war and reads a passage from Freedom Round the Globe.

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Sarah Pearsall

• Freedom Round the Globe: a World History of the American Revolution

Others

• The Declaration of Independence
• “What we know about the UFC fight at the White House”|CNN, June 1, 2026
• “These 6 Acts Dropped Out of the Freedom 250 Concert. Here's Why”|People, June 3, 2026

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Music critic Barry Walters joins co-hosts Whitney Terrell and Christian Barter to discuss his new book, Mighty Real: A History of LGBTQ Music 1969-2000. Walters talks about how he chose the artists that he includes in his book and explains how musicians like David Bowie, Lou Reed, Grace Jones, and Sylvester saved his life. He explores how social repression shaped and complicated work from LGBTQ bands, how queer acts like Queen were pigeonholed by music critics, and how mainstream groups like Nirvana spoke to the LGBTQ experience.  He talks about his personal connection to Madonna’s work and reads from Mighty Real.

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Barry Walters

• Mighty Real: A History of LGBTQ Music 1969-2000
• “George Michael’s ‘Father Figure’: When Love Meets Crime”|Billboard, Oct. 26, 2017
• “Madonna’s ‘Erotica,’ ‘Sex’: Why Musical Masterpiece, Defiant Book Still Matter”| Rolling Stone, Oct. 19, 2017
• “As Much As I Can, As Black As I Am: The Queer History of Grace Jones”|Pitchfork, August 25, 2015
• “Sylvester: Staying Alive”|The Village Voice, Nov. 8, 1988

Others

• City Boy: My Life in New York During the 1960s and '70s by Edmund White

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Wake Forest University Professor of Philosophy Christian B. Miller joins co-hosts Whitney Terrell and Jennifer Maritza McCauley to discuss his newest work of nonfiction, The Honesty Crisis: Preserving Our Most Treasured Virtue in an Increasingly Dishonest World. Miller argues that integrity and honesty are rapidly disintegrating and we are quickly losing social norms around truth-telling. He outlines five main categories that are contributing to this honesty crisis, gives his definition of honesty, and explains how we can diminish our reliance on self-interest. He explores how a loss of integrity can affect the academic, romantic, political and technological realms. Miller also addresses contemporary politics, the recent presidential election and how honesty is in flux in our country. He reads from The Honesty Crisis.

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Christian B. Miller

• The Honesty Crisis: Preserving Our Most Treasured Virtue in an Increasingly Dishonest World
• The Character Gap

Others

• How The Washington Post Fact Checker Tracked Trump
• The Rabbit Series 
• John Updike’s Rabbit Tetralogy 

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Writer Rebecca Lehmann joins co-hosts Whitney Terrell and V.V. Ganeshananthan to discuss her debut novel, The Beheading Game, a work of speculative historical fiction in which King Henry VIII’s second wife, the beheaded Queen of England Anne Boleyn, comes back to life after her wrongful execution, sews her head back on, and seeks revenge. Lehmann considers the contested history of Anne Boleyn, the outlandish accusations against her, and the ways in which her image has been erased and changed over time. She outlines the reasoning behind her portrayal of Anne, explaining how it was born out of a mix of historical fact and modern perspectives. Lehmann discusses Anne’s often forgotten role as mother to Queen Elizabeth I and how that may have shaped her motives as a queen and a politician. Lehmann also talks about similarities between the chaotic courts and allegedly treasonous advisors of Henry VIII and President Trump and the importance of scapegoats in consolidating political power. She reads from The Beheading Game. 

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Rebecca Lehmann

• The Beheading Game
• The Sweating Sickness
• Ringer
• Between the Crackups

Others

• Sir Gawain and the Green Knight

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Veteran war correspondent and Kirkus Prize winner Scott Anderson joins co-hosts Whitney Terrell and Jennifer Maritza McCauley to discuss his new nonfiction book King of Kings, a history of the Iranian Revolution. Anderson examines how rapid modernization, inequality, and U.S. influence destabilized Iran, and traces the rise of Ruhollah Khomeini from exiled cleric to revolutionary leader. The conversation explores key mistakes by the Shah, the failures of U.S. intelligence, and how the revolution unfolded in unpredictable ways. Anderson also connects this history to present-day tensions, discussing Iran’s current power structure under Ali Khamenei and the global rise of religious nationalism. Finally, the hosts consider parallels between the Shah’s rule and contemporary political leadership, as well as the limits of American military strategy in the region. Anderson reads from King of Kings. 

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Scott Anderson

• King of Kings
• Lawrence in Arabia

Others

• Mohammad Reza Shah Pahlavi
• Ruhollah Khomeini
• Ali Khamenei
• Iran hostage crisis
• OPEC
• Strait of Hormuz

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Acclaimed novelist Liam Callanan joins co-hosts V.V. Ganeshananthan and Whitney Terrell to discuss American-born Pope Leo XIV’s recent conflicts with the Trump administration. Callanan, who is Catholic, contextualizes the pope’s critiques of the Iran war and other political comments within the long history of the Vatican’s outspokenness against social injustices. Callanan also talks about the heroine of his most recent novel, When in Rome, a realtor named Claire who finds herself torn between returning to an old flame and taking the veil. He explains Catholicism’s connections to writing and tells the story of his own surreal encounter with the magnetic Pope Francis, who passed away last year. Callanan previews the role faith plays in his upcoming nonfiction debut, Stone Age Astronaut, the biography of a record-setting aviator who becomes a priest. He reads from When in Rome.

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This podcast is produced by Jennifer Maritza McCauley, V.V. Ganeshananthan and Whitney Terrell.

Liam Callanan

• When in Rome
• Stone Age Astronaut: The Astonishing Adventures of America's Forgotten Flier
• Paris by the Book
• Listen & Other Stories
• All Saints
• The Cloud Atlas

Others

• Trump Attacks Pope Leo as Too Liberal and ‘Weak on Crime’ - The New York Times
• JD Vance defends Trump amid spat with Pope Leo: ‘Stick to matters of morality’
• Pope Leo responds to Trump’s attack: ‘I’m not afraid of the Trump administration’
• Author Liam Callanan’s Work Is Animated by His Catholic Faith
• The Brothers Karamazov by Fyodor Dostoevsky
• Audience with participants in the Conference organized by “La Civiltà Cattolica” with Georgetown University, May 27, 2023

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Writer and scholar Caroline Bicks, the Stephen E. King Chair in Literature at the University of Maine, joins co-hosts Jennifer Maritza McCauley and V.V. Ganeshananthan to discuss her time in King’s archives, an experience which resulted in her new book Monsters in the Archives: My Year of Fear with Stephen King. Bicks talks about meeting King and exploring his early drafts, dramatic revisions, exchanges with readers and editors, and undergraduate columns. She situates five of King’s earliest novels in the context of his personal experiences and deepest fears and also considers how she understood the books as a younger reader, as well as what it was like to revisit them. She reflects on King’s writing process and his unique use of language, showcasing how King is not just the king of horror but also a master of craft. Bicks, McCauley, and Ganeshananthan discuss their experiences with King’s novels and the intimate and personal nature of horror writing. Bicks reads from Monsters in the Archives. 

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This podcast is produced by Jennifer Maritza McCauley, V.V. Ganeshananthan and Whitney Terrell.

Caroline Bicks

• Monsters in the Archives: My Year of Fear with Stephen King
• Cognition and Girlhood in Shakespeare's World: Rethinking Female Adolescence

Other texts by Stephen King & screen adaptations based on his work

• The Shining
• Carrie
• "IT: Welcome to Derry" | HBO Max
• On Writing: A Memoir of the Craft
• The Stand
• It
• Salem’s Lot
• Night Shift
• Pet Sematary 

Others

• The Witch of Blackbird Pond

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