This week, Kate is joined by Sami Sage (Co-founder and Chief Creative Officer of Betches) to have a stimulating conversation while they both happen to be stimulating their ovaries. They discuss their respective decisions to freeze embryos (briefly! skip mins 15-25ish if you want to dodge fertility talk), then venture into topics that are half light pop culture and half a deeper religious discussion (Kate's favorite combo!). First, they discuss their feelings about being renters/city dwellers, then talk about TS and her involvement with Crawdads and David O. Russell, Ben and Jen, DeuxMoi's identity reveal, Jen Shah pleading guilty, and Kate's frustration in feeling like Miami swim week on Tiktok is VS fashion show deja vu. Then, Sami shares some of her experiences and observations in the context of Judaism that are related to the topics Kate often covers re: Evangelical Christianity. She discusses the differences between identifying as secular or non-secular, shares some differences about Jewish summer camp relative to Kate's experiences, discusses what purity culture looks like in the context of certain Orthodox practices, explains the antithetical nature of abortion laws, etc. Overall a balanced and interesting episode that hits on hot topics and also provides a helpful perspective about commonly discussed topics on BTI5 in the context of another faith experience. Enjoy!

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