In this extraordinary episode of The Living Clean Podcast, we sit down with the man behind one of the most beloved stories in the back of the Sixth Edition of the Narcotics Anonymous Basic Text—Sandwich.

With vulnerability, warmth, and deep spiritual insight, our guest takes us beyond the pages of his original story and into the heart of his ongoing recovery. From a moment of suicidal despair on a stairwell in the Netherlands to a simple act of kindness—a sandwich shared by a stranger—this episode traces the long and beautiful arc of a life transformed by the NA Fellowship.

We explore the early days of not fitting in, the pain of grief and addiction, the fear of being unwelcome because of his sexuality, and the slow, steady healing that comes from being seen, heard, and loved just as we are. He speaks candidly about coming to trust a Higher Power, rebuilding relationships, and finding freedom through the Steps.

This conversation is a living testimony to the power of love, service, and hope. Whether you’ve read Sandwich a dozen times or never at all, you won’t want to miss hearing the voice behind the story share how his recovery has unfolded in the decades since it was first written—and how that feeling of belonging in NA still carries him today.