On this week's episode, Joe Hanna from Fusion 4 Ventures joins Simon Baker and Harvey Hancock to discuss all things scaling and exiting. With multiple exits under their belts, Simon and Joe get into basics, wrong turns, and pragmatism, among other topics.

Please note there are some audio issues in this episode - but the conversation was good enough to warrant publishing the conversation anyway. Apologies for any inconvenience for listeners - keep your fingers on that volume button.

00:00 Introduction and Updates

02:58 Scaling and Exiting in the Real Estate Industry

08:04 Challenges and Strategies in Scaling and Exiting

14:51 The Connection Between Scale and Exit

19:07 Top Mistakes in Scaling and Exiting

21:28 Preparing for an Exit: Growth, Profitability, and Cost Synergies

24:35 Reducing Key Person Risk and Ensuring Company Independence

26:49 The Role of Fusion 4 Ventures in the Acquisition Process

28:53 Flexible Payment Schemes for Advisory Services

40:21 The Importance of a Realistic Understanding of the Process and Valuation