Andy Hayes is joined by Dasa Urbankova and Peter Donahue for a deep conversation about finding meaning in golf and in life. Dasa shares her first post-college season, Q-School, the US Mid-Am, and the unsettling feeling of not knowing what golf means without tournaments. From Czech hip hop dance battles to Victor Frankl and the idea of “doing it without applause,” the three explore competition, curiosity, creativity, and whether we can learn to play golf, and live life, more for its own sake than for outcomes.