In this episode, Austin chats with Ouriel Ohayon (Zengo) about the evolving landscape of crypto wallets and wallet security. The conversation dives into the history and challenges of crypto custody solutions, from the problems with centralized custodians and self-custody methods to the sophistication of hacking groups. Ouriel discusses how Zengo is tackling these issues with their MPC wallets where there's "nothing to give away". He provides insights on the unique security features of Zengo, such as its passwordless experience, recovery protocols, theft protection, and physical attack safeguards. The episode also explores the business model of crypto wallets and how they can generate revenue while maintaining user experience and security.