Naval with three founders who are living in the future: Garry Tan (Y Combinator), Daniel Francis (Abel Police), and Farbood Nivi (A-LIST).

00:00 Guest Intros

02:35 Live in the Future

03:58 Will AI Outsmart us?

07:43 In the Anthropic Breadline

09:59 The Tech Genie Is Out

12:33 We Invested in COVID?!

14:25 Good Writing Is Novelty

18:50 Living Like It's 2028

24:32 Truth dot ai

30:18 Does China have the Weights?

35:38 Everyone has AI Anxiety

39:32 Have Your Agent Talk to My Agent

42:01 What if Open Source takes the Lead?

44:03 The Sun is Setting on Google

48:00 Ride the AGI

50:46 Will There be Startups?

54:05 Defending Taiwan

1:00:05 The California Empire

1:01:26 If the U.S. Falls

1:03:11 Universal Basic Robot

1:06:01 Humans as AI Handlers

Full episode with 20 minutes of new material at the end.

Software factories, vertical integration, the regulatory frontier, and the autonomous company.

Part 1: Waste Tokens, Save Time

00:00 Three Frontier Founders

01:27 AI Software Factories

04:15 Waste Tokens, Save Time

05:47 Models Instructing Humans

09:29 Is Pure Software Dead?

12:03 You Don't Get Stuck Anymore

Part 2: Vibe Coding Hardware

14:39 Vibe Coding a Turbine Blade

18:07 Open Source Compounds China's Advantage

20:15 You Always Want the Smartest Model

22:44 Software Still Needs Hands

24:43 Humans Are Becoming Verifiers

Part 3: The Regulatory Frontier

27:53 The Regulatory Red Queen Race

32:32 Why There's No Innovation in Healthcare

36:49 We Need a True 50-State Experiment

40:31 China's FDA Is Beating Ours

43:37 Healthcare Is a Communist Society Inside Capitalism

45:57 Sid's Story: N-of-1 Medicine

Part 4: The Autonomous Company

47:49 Autonomous Infrastructure

51:25 Your Job Is to Train the Agent

54:54 The Next Lord of the Rings

59:08 What's Your Definition of Art?

1:05:00 Can AI Have New Ideas?

1:07:03 A Very Large Number of Small Teams

With Guillermo Rauch (Vercel), Blake Scholl (Boom Supersonic), and Max Hodak (Science).

Transcript: http://nav.al/industrial

Part 2 of our new format with three frontier founders: Guillermo Rauch (Vercel), Blake Scholl (Boom Sonic), and Max Hodak (Science).

00:35 Vibe Coding A Turbine Blade

04:04 Open Source Compounds China's Advantage

06:12 You Always Want The Smartest Model

08:41 Software Still Needs Hands

10:40 Humans Are Becoming Verifiers

Transcript: http://nav.al/hardware

A new format for the podcast!

With three frontier founders: Guillermo Rauch (Vercel), Blake Scholl (Boom Supersonic), and Max Hodak (Science).

01:27 AI Software Factories

04:15 Waste Tokens, Save Time

05:47 Models Instructing Humans

09:30 Is Pure Software Dead?

12:04 You Don't Get Stuck Anymore

Transcript: nav.al/tokens

00:00 Be Credible

03:18 "Yes, And"

04:31 Selfish Honesty

05:37 Charisma Is Confidence + Love

07:56 Don't Manage, Lead

11:16 Hunt Together

14:51 Feed Your (Good) Obsessions

18:57 Sell the Truth

21:07 Good Deal or No Deal

23:39 The Age of Nonlinear Returns

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Transcript: http://nav.al/sell

USVC is a product of AngelList, where we are founders and hold equity.

00:00 The Fully Interconnected Startup

04:14 You Don't Need the Explicit Intranet Anymore

06:55 May You Live in Interesting Times

10:40 Drones Democratize Violence

12:43 Biothreats Could Also Get Democratized

15:09 AI Interfaces Unlock Hardware

17:35 Optimism Requires Creativity

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Transcript: http://nav.al/over

USVC is a product of AngelList, where we are founders and hold equity.

A Return to Coding 00:15

The Personal App Store 03:08

Vibe Coding Is a Video Game with Real-World Rewards 06:12

Pure Software Is Uninvestable 10:23

A Place for Each Model 14:09

AI Is Eager to Please 17:44

Why Math and Coding? 21:58

The Beginning of the End of Apple's Dominance 24:04

Coding Agents As Customer Service Reps 27:43

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Transcript: http://nav.al/code

Presented by AngelList: http://angellist.com/podcast

We founded AngelList and have equity in the company.

If you want to learn, do 0:00

Vibe coding is the new product management 2:13

Training models is the new coding 6:49

Is traditional software engineering dead? 10:13

There is no demand for average 13:07

The hottest new programming language is English 14:12

AI is adapting to us faster than we are adapting to it 18:36

No entrepreneur is worried about AI taking their job 22:56

The goal is not to have a job 26:46

AIs are not alive 29:49

AI fails the only true test of intelligence 32:55

Early adopters of AI have an enormous edge 36:49

AI meets you exactly where you are 39:37

Always leverage the best intelligence 43:02

If you can't define it, you can't program it 44:37

The solution to AI anxiety is action 49:37

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Transcript: http://nav.al/ai

The Best Only Want to Work With the Best 0:00

You'll Never Be Able to Hire Anybody Better Than You 3:49

Break Every Rule to Get the Best People 6:45

It Just Takes a Small Group of People to Create Something Great 10:19

Find Undiscovered Talent Before Everyone Else 14:56

Great People Have Taste in Other People 19:04

Every Great Engineer Is Also an Artist 21:24

Early Teams Look Like Cults 25:34

You Can't Make a Product that is Simple Enough 27:59

The Founder's Personality Is the Company 30:37

Good Teams Throw Away Far More Product Than They Keep 34:45

All New Information Starts as Misinformation 38:41

Geniuses Only 40:47

Practice Your Craft At the Edge of Your Capability 44:24

Curate People 49:14

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Transcript: http://nav.al/curate-people

Inspiration All the Way Down 0:00

Life is Lived in the Arena 2:40

If You Want to Learn, Do 4:51

In Most Difficult Things in Life, The Solution is Indirect 6:15

When You Truly Work for Yourself 7:30

Find Your Specific Knowledge Through Action 10:12

You Have to Enjoy It a Lot 12:06

Pause, Reflect, See How Well it Did 14:45

Blame Yourself for Everything, and Preserve Your Agency 16:23

It Is Impossible to Fool Mother Nature 21:03

The Best Authors Respect the Reader's Time 25:17

Most Books Should Be Skimmed, A Few Should Be Devoured 28:18

Good Products Are Hard to Vary 32:01

Find the Simplest Thing That Works 35:27

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Transcript http://nav.al/in-the-arena