The International Olympic Committee has been trying to push gender equality in the 2020 Olympics, but some say we still have a long way to go. Sports writer Kavitha A. Davidson speaks to guest host Rosemary Barton about how tough conversations will help make sports better, and Michele K. Donnelly, an assistant professor of sports management at Brock University, talks about what the numbers tell us and don't tell us about the representation of women athletes at the Olympics.