Poppy and Rubina are joined by podcasting royalty, Deborah Frances White, to discuss female shame (and eyelashes).

Deborah co-created The Guilty Feminist in 2015 and paved the way for podcasts like Brown Girls Do It Too. In this episode, they bond over the collective female experience of shame. What are their most secret shames? Can shame be a force for good? What's the difference between shame and guilt?

It's something Poppy and Rubina have wanted to get into since the Brown Boys Do It Too episode in Series 4 - in which said brown boys, Eshaan Akbar and Jernade Miah, revealed they didn't feel any shame about sex.

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