What makes a church healthy—not just successful? 

In this episode, Rev. Tara Beth Leach and Dr. Mark Quanstrom continue their conversation with Randy Frazee, exploring how culture—not just strategy—determines a church’s future.

Randy shares how his leadership philosophy has shifted over the years—from top-down leadership models to team-based collaboration, from focusing on numbers to prioritizing engagement. His wisdom is a must-hear for pastors wrestling with staff culture, leadership expectations, and burnout.

🎙️ In This Episode:

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💡 Takeaway:

Pastors don’t have to be everything to everyone. True leadership comes from embracing your strengths, surrounding yourself with the right people, and fostering a culture where others thrive.