Shift Out Loud with Tracy Spears

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What do highly successful people do differently? Is it possible to build a thriving career entirely on your own terms? In this episode of Shift Out Loud, I’m joined by Heidi Hartman, a sought-after speaker, leadership coach, and author of Her Rise Her Rules: 7 Secrets of Successful Leaders, an incredible book that reveals the success strategies of over 100 high-performing women leaders.

Heidi and I talk about her fascinating authorship journey and interview process, how she helps her clients transform their biggest what-ifs into what’s possible, and the crucial assessments that will help you identify your best next steps for playing bigger in your career, without compromising your core values or wasting time and money on unhelpful tangents or distractions. Heidi also shares her important research into Oklahoma’s high rates of female incarceration — a topic that is close to my heart.

Ready to play bigger? Listen now to discover: 

• Some of the key strategies explored in Her Rise Her Rules (and how to apply them to your life)  
• How Heidi learned from poor-fit opportunities and created a career that plays to her strengths and passions 
• The challenges of monetizing your expertise when you’ve been sharing it for free

Guest bio: Heidi Hartman published her first book, Her Rise Her Rules: 7 Secrets of Successful Leaders, in September 2025. After two decades in corporate leadership and HR, Heidi ventured out to pursue her greater purpose — building better leaders and businesses from the inside out. She puts her experience and extensive training to work for clients to understand the unique opportunities they face and offer tangible solutions that lead to wild success.

Timestamps:

02:00  Intro

04:17  Meet Heidi Hartman

07:32  Camping & RVs

10:24  University of Oklahoma

13:13  Lessons from retail & inspired friction

17:31  Shift to organizational development

20:01  Policy work & consulting

22:06  Playing bigger in your career

24:27  Her Rise Her Rules

30:47  Blessed by a bad fit 

35:14  Monetizing expertise 

37:58  Shift to Her Circles

41:35  Conclusion

Links:

Heidi Hartman

hhartmanconsulting.com 

hhartmanconsulting.com/contact 

linkedin.com/in/heidi-hartman 

hhartmanconsulting 

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My guest for this episode of Shift Out Loud lives a fascinating double life! Not only is Allison B. Walden the Senior Vice President of Resource Development at the Tulsa Regional Chamber, she’s also a talented musician who just released her first studio album, “Octopus,” under the stage name Allie B.

Tune in for a fascinating conversation about embracing a shift-filled life — and seizing the opportunity to play bigger on multiple different stages. We talk about the impact of growing up in a state of flux, Allison’s early musical journey, her inspiring service-based approach to her work, and how competitive weightlifting has transformed her body and her confidence.

Ready to play bigger? Listen now to discover: 

• How Allison found her voice as a vocalist in a family full of instrumentalists 
• How she recharges and protects her energy as a multipassionate introvert 
• The behind-the-scenes story of her debut album release

Guest bio: Allison Walden is a sought-after sales coach and speaker in the areas of nonprofit revenue development, culture, and capability-building for nonprofit leaders. She serves as SVP of Resource Development at the Tulsa Regional Chamber, the Chair of the Curriculum Committee for the organization management program of the U.S. Chamber of Commerce, and as a faculty member for the “Academy” program of the Western Association of Chamber of Commerce Professionals (WACE). In 2020, WACE named her “Chamber Staff Person of the Year.”

Timestamps:

01:58  Intro

04:15  Meet Allison B. Walden

09:04  Shift to staying still

12:03  Shift to vocals & songwriting

16:08  Approach to work & recharging energy

23:10  Shift to team sports

25:37  Weight-lifting

30:38  Shift to musicianship

36:44  Response to the album

39:59  Shift to Allie B

42:56  Post-album shifts

47:49  Next shift

50:29  Conclusion

Links:

Allison B. Walden

alliebofficial.com 

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I have not one, but two incredible guests for this timely and important episode of Shift Out Loud. We’ll be exploring the case of domestic violence survivor April Wilkens, who was recently denied a shortened sentence for a crime directly related to her abuse: the murder of her long-time rapist and abuser.

Tracey Lyall is the CEO of Domestic Violence Intervention Services (DVIS) in Tulsa and a Licensed Social Worker with years of direct service and advocacy for victims of DV and sexual assault. Oklahoma Appleseed Center for Law and Justice co-founder Colleen McCarty has been a key advocate in pushing for survivor justice reform through the Oklahoma Survivors’ Act (SB 1835), which passed the OK Senate 46-0 and the OK House 86-4.

In this impactful conversation, Tracey and Colleen discuss why SB 1835 is vital legislation for Oklahomans, how it compares to similar measures enacted in other states, and why April Wilkins should be granted relief and be reunited with her family.

Listen now to discover:

• The details of April’s horrific story and the current status of her legal case 
• Why April’s denial was so shocking and what you can do to help support her cause
• The potential impact of SB 1835 on Oklahoma’s incarcerated women

Guest bios: Tracey Lyall is a Licensed Social Worker and the CEO of DVIS in Tulsa, Oklahoma. In 2013, along with the board of directors, she led the organization’s $24 million capital campaign to build a new shelter, transitional housing, and counseling office. She has worked in the areas of poverty, DV, crisis intervention, and mental health. Attorney Colleen McCarty has served as Policy Counsel and Deputy Director of Oklahomans for Criminal Justice Reform. She is the Executive Director of the Oklahoma Appleseed Center for Law and Justice and was instrumental in passing medical parole reform in 2020 (SB 320). 

Timestamps:

01:51  Intro

03:56  Meet Tracey Lyall & Colleen McCarty

07:00  Passing SB 1835

09:16  Oklahoma Appleseed & SB 1835’s strengths

14:33  DV stats, stigma & retaliation

20:27  April’s case

31:12  Colleen’s work

34:00  Tracey’s reaction

36:13  Support for April

41:46  Current actions & influences

45:14  Colleen’s final thoughts

Links:

okappleseed.org 

dvis.org 

panicbuttonpodcast.com 

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For many people in my generation, living loudly and openly was a shift that could feel almost too big. In this episode of Shift Out Loud, I sit down with Nancy Gunter, the CEO of Gunter Training and an expert in helping workplaces manage clashes between employees of different generations, to talk about shifting out of secrecy. 

In this conversation, Nancy and I discuss the intense challenges she experienced coming to terms with her sexuality in the 1980s and 1990s, the small but loud shifts that led her to live more openly in a slowly-changing world, and how she’s nurtured a beautiful 32-year relationship with her partner. We also talk about her incredible professional shifts, and how she uncovered her deep passion for designing and delivering trainings.

Ready to play bigger? Listen now to discover: 

• How a decades-old rumour about Nancy’s brother helped her come out to her parents in her 40s
• The big generational differences that underlie current workplace tensions
• How Positive Intelligence training changed Nancy’s life and sparked a career shift

Guest bio: Nancy is the CEO of Gunter Training and specializes in Positive Mental Fitness, Emotional Intelligence, and Generational Consulting. She has a Master’s Degree with an emphasis in Generational Studies and is a Gallup Certified Strengths Coach, a Positive Intelligence Coach, and a Speaker/Trainer. She enjoys all types of sports and participates in sprint, Olympic, and Half Ironman triathlons. 

Timestamps:

01:41  Intro

02:39  Meet Nancy Gunter

04:13  Shift to extroversion

08:56  Discovering her sexuality

13:13  Shift to self-acceptance

17:51  Shift to training

21:47  Shift to living more openly

27:42  Coming out to family

35:20  Generational consulting

38:04  Baby boomers, work ethic & tech 

42:29  Triathlons

45:44  Shift to PQ coaching

52:07  Next shift

Links:

Nancy Gunter

guntertraining.com 

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Our biggest shifts sometimes elevate entire communities. My guest on this episode of Shift Out Loud has built an award-winning career around uplifting those who need it most. I’m joined by Alison Anthony, the President and CEO of the Tulsa Area United Way. Among her many recognitions, she’s been inducted into the Tulsa Hall of Fame and the Oklahoma State University Diversity Hall of Fame, and is the 2025 recipient of the Leadership Oklahoma Distinguished Graduate award. 

Our conversation digs into Alison’s enduring passion for justice and inclusion, and the importance of meeting your own needs while helping others. Tune in as we explore her decision to play bigger in a way that aligned with her deeper values, her journey to grow as a leader while dealing with personal challenges, and the incredible bar fight story that reveals her hidden superhero side!

Ready to play bigger? Listen now to discover: 

• How to set healthy boundaries and detach lovingly when helping others hurts you
• The enormous impact of older women in our families and communities 
• How Alison is shifting into a new chapter of reflection and self-expression

Guest bio: Alison Anthony serves as the President and CEO of the Tulsa Area United Way. A number of non-profit organizations are proud to name her as a member of their Boards of Directors, including the Tulsa Community Foundation and the Tulsa Regional Chamber of Commerce. To all her roles, Alison brings a passion for inclusion, justice, innovation, and a belief that we can join our talents together to make our community a place where we can all flourish and thrive. 

Timestamps:

01:57  Intro

03:58  Meet Alison Anthony

07:16  Growing up & over-helping

10:57  Fly fishing story

14:07  Ear biting story

18:55  Shift to corporate

22:37  So shall it be or better

28:52  Shift to United Way

30:42  Al-Anon & codependency

35:22  Setting boundaries

40:22  The ‘Shift Happens’ 60s

43:44  Next shift

47:59  Sharing a stage

49:08  Conclusion

Links:

Alison Anthony

tauw.org/team_member/alison-anthony 

tulsahistory.org/halloffame/alison-anthony 

linkedin.com/in/alison-anthony-14a76a6 

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My guest for this episode of Shift Out Loud has spent much of her career exploring how we can make one of the most profound shifts imaginable: choosing to live a life for the things that matter most, without waiting for a crisis to occur. I’m joined once again by Dr. Jennifer K. Clark, whose book Suffer. is a fascinating reflection of her experiences in Hospice and Palliative Medicine. Dr. Clark challenges society’s definition of health and has shaped a new standard of innovative, community-based end-of-life care. 

This episode is a powerful invitation to show up and truly see yourself. Listen in as we discuss the power of transpersonal experiences and the gift of mortality salience, and Dr. Clark shares how to honor the mind-body connection, find peace during times of stress, and recognize the modern markers of adulthood.

Ready to play bigger? Listen now to discover: 

• How to reintegrate tough memories and become whole through shard work
• Why we shouldn’t stop assessing developmental milestones after childhood 
• How to get out of the anxiety spin cycle when meditation feels impossible  

Guest bio: Dr. Jennifer Clark is the author of Suffer., a reflection of her nearly 25-year practice as an allopathic physician trained in Internal Medicine, Pediatrics, and Hospice and Palliative Medicine. From the bedside to the boardroom and beyond, she has served to heal, educate, and innovate toward the relief of suffering and promotion of well-being. She volunteers as a medical liaison at Clarehouse and serves as a board member for the Omega Home Network.

Timestamps:

01:55  Intro

03:37  Meet Dr. Jennifer Clark

06:14  Holding space

10:20  “Suffer well”

13:53  Developmental milestones & shame

15:59  Accepting the invitation

19:26  Taking a pause

23:00  Anxiety & dissociation

28:01  Memory, shard work, and life review

36:33  Self-identity & death experience

40:35  Mortality salience & grief

44:20  Internal voice & sense of self

51:23  Transpersonal experiences

59:12  New website  

Links:

Dr. Jennifer Clark

thegiftofchoosing.com 

Suffer. 

Suffering, Well-Being, and the Redefinition of Health | TEDxUTulsa

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Playing bigger often means speaking up about things society would prefer to be left unsaid — and that often includes women’s experiences. Whether writing or speaking, bestselling author Meg Myers Morgan works to unravel the knots that form while being a woman navigating through everyday worries, meaningful working, and the relentless pursuit of self-worth. 

In this episode of Shift Out Loud, I sit down with Meg to get an exclusive behind-the-curtain look at her incredible new novel, The Inconvenient Unraveling of Gemma Sinclair — and explore why she shifted to fiction after making a name for herself in the non-fiction world. Tune in as we discuss Meg’s fascinating writing process, the decisions that led to a unique and memorable book launch event, and the key to showing up authentically online.

Ready to play bigger? Listen now to discover: 

• What inspired Meg to start playing bigger in the lit space - and how she turned rejection into motivation
• A behind-the-scenes look at the publishing process and the advice that made the difference
• How Meg assembled and leveraged a book launch team that turned a novel into a movement

Guest bio: Meg Myers Morgan is a professor by title, teaching and mentoring graduate students into careers they love; a writer by dedication, using humor and heart to process modern life and work; and a keynote speaker, equipping audiences to reclaim their self-worth as the ultimate lesson...and plot twist.

Timestamps:

01:00  Intro

02:58  Meet Meg Myers Morgan

03:46  Parenting

07:01  “It doesn’t matter” & TikTok

13:24  Shift to fiction

18:20  Shifting out loud

20:33  Publishing & reception

23:04  Meg’s launch team

28:08  Book launch event

36:59  About Gemma Sinclair

40:04  Biggest shifts

43:22  Dr. Fox & “trying something”

46:53  Writing from truth

50:42  Eddie & head-hopping

56:20  The Unravelers

58:59  Trailer Park University

1:00:23  Busy Philipps

Links:

Meg Myers Morgan

megmyersmorgan.com 

The Inconvenient Unraveling of Gemma Sinclair

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In this episode of Shift Out Loud, Tracy Spears sits down with master coach and corporate leader-turned-mentor Mina Brown to explore the powerful, personal, and far-reaching impact of coaching. From boardrooms to virtual training rooms, Mina’s journey is a testament to the deep change that’s possible when we shift from giving answers to asking the right questions.

Together, they unpack what makes coaching so effective—including the science of neuro-linguistic programming (NLP), the strategic use of metaphors and humor, and the art of creating safe spaces for real transformation.

Mina shares how our environment shapes our beliefs, how the pandemic revolutionized coaching, and why curiosity, purpose, and values matter more than ever. Whether you’re a leader, a learner, or simply someone who wants to live more intentionally, this episode will leave you thinking differently about the power of conversation.

🔑 Key Takeaways:

• Coaching is not about answers—it’s about discovery.
• NLP can accelerate learning, growth, and transformation.
• Humor and metaphor help unlock deep insight and emotional resonance.
• Coaching is a partnership grounded in trust and respect.
• Leaders with coaching skills can radically impact culture and connection.
• Beliefs drive our behavior—challenging them drives change.
• Transitioning from corporate to coaching demands vulnerability and mindset shifts.
• The virtual coaching boom is here to stay—and it’s opening new doors.
• Everyone deserves a coach. The ripple effect is real.

Chapters:

00:00 Introduction to Coaching and Personal Journey

02:54 Transitioning from Corporate to Coaching

05:46 The Role of Neuro-Linguistic Programming in Coaching

08:42 Understanding Coaching vs. Consulting

11:47 The Importance of a Coaching Relationship

14:27 The Power of Metaphors and Humor in Coaching

24:57 The Power of Curiosity in Coaching

25:52 Challenging Limiting Beliefs

28:50 Understanding Values and Purpose

31:43 The Impact of Environment on Beliefs

33:48 Navigating Information in the Digital Age

36:26 The Evolution of Coaching During the Pandemic

39:32 The Value of Coaching Beyond Profession

42:24 The Multiplier Effect of Coaching

45:23 Connecting with Mina Brown

Connect with Mina

Website: www.positivecoach.com

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Instagram @tracylspears 

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In this inspiring episode, Tracy sits down with Dana Day, a Tulsa-based custom home builder, remodeler, and HGTV alum. With a background in psychology and art, Dana shares how she carved a unique path into the male-dominated construction industry—and how creativity, grit, and heart have shaped both her work and her life. 

Dana opens up about her experience as the only woman featured on HGTV’s Build It Forward, the realities of running a remodeling business, and the lessons she’s learned about setting expectations and maintaining accountability. But the conversation goes far deeper than blueprints and budgets. Dana reveals how devastating personal loss, financial setbacks, and moments of reinvention taught her the value of resilience, vulnerability, and the healing power of storytelling. 

Together, Tracy and Dana explore how purpose can rise from pain—and how creativity and compassion can build more than just homes.

Key Takeaways: 

• Resilience is something you build—like a house—one intentional step at a time.
• Vulnerability isn't weakness—it's a bridge to connection and healing.
• Women can (and do) thrive in male-dominated spaces, especially when they show up authentically.
• Realistic expectations are the foundation of any successful project—professional or personal.

Chapters

00:00 Introduction to Dana Day

02:15 Dana's Journey into Building

05:02 Challenges in the Remodeling Industry

07:58 The HGTV Experience

10:40 Navigating a Male-Dominated Field

13:32 Personal Shifts and Life Challenges

25:05 Overcoming Adversity: A Journey of Resilience

28:57 The Power of Perseverance and Stress Management

35:01 Creative Expression and Future Aspirations

35:53 The Impact of Vulnerability and Sharing Stories

Connect with Dana

www.danabuildanddesign.com

Connect with Tracy

Instagram @tracylspears 

TikTok @tracyspearsspeaker

Discover your tactical leadership toolkit: www.theleaderlab.com

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In this flavorful and fearless episode, Tracy Spears sits down with culinary entrepreneur Makenna Held, the powerhouse behind the Courageous Cooking School and the bold new platform Recipe Kick. Makenna opens up about her extraordinary leap of faith—buying Julia Child’s summer home, La Pitchoune, sight unseen—and the revolutionary path she’s carved in the world of food since. 

From embracing recipe-free cooking to redefining the culinary classroom, Makenna shares how creativity, courage, and criticism have shaped her journey. She reveals the magic (and madness) behind running an immersive cooking school in the South of France, the challenges of building a sustainable food business, and the pressure of being tethered to Julia Child’s legacy. 

Get ready for a refreshingly honest conversation about what it takes to cook, live, and lead on your own terms. 

What You’ll Learn in This Episode: 

• Why Makenna bought Julia Child’s home without ever seeing it
• How a movie (The Hundred-Foot Journey) inspired her life-altering move to France
• The philosophy behind her recipe-free approach to cooking
• What it’s like to run a cooking school inside a culinary icon’s home
• The deeper meaning behind The Courageous Cooking School
• How Recipe Kick is shifting the future of food education
• The unexpected impact (and pitfalls) of fame and TV exposure
• Why sustainable business models are essential 
• How Makenna is building a legacy of culinary creativity and personal empowerment

00:00 Introduction to Makenna Held and La Pitchoune
02:52 The Journey to France and Buying Julia Child's Home
06:01 Risk-Taking and Culinary Aspirations
08:57 The Courageous Cooking School Experience
11:53 Immersive Culinary Experiences and Cooking Philosophy
14:51 Recipe-Free Cooking and Creativity
17:58 The Evolution of Recipe Kick
20:47 The Cookbook and Culinary Education
29:24 The Spirit of Julia Child
30:43 Sustainable Business Models in Culinary Education
31:51 The Journey to Television Stardom
32:49 Navigating Fame and Criticism
40:03 Future Aspirations and Business Shifts
47:04 Defining Legacy Beyond Julia Child
51:54 Looking Ahead: New Ventures and Opportunities
 

Connect with Makenna

Instagram
@makennaheld @recipekick.tv @lapeetchfr

https://okay-perfect.com/

See Makenna on Tour: MakennaHeld.com

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Instagram @tracylspears 

TikTok @tracyspearsspeaker

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