In this episode, Mary sits down for a SECOND time with her long-time friend and fellow author + Mic Drop founder, Jess Ekstrom, to talk ALL about how external validation and proving people wrong will NEVER be the jet fuel that sustains us for the long haul as they dig into her BRAND NEW book Making It Without Losing It: How to Stay Motivated In a World Where We are Never Done. The two explore the true sources of motivation, how achievement can sometimes distance us from ourselves, and practical ways to stay inspired without losing our core identity. This episode offers insights for relentless achievers seeking balance and a sense of peace along the way. If you are someone who feels like you are NEVER done and every achievement you reach just opens your eyes to TEN more you aren't even close to yet… then THIS episode is for you!

In this episode:

• The myth of external validation and why it's so fleeting
• How success can make you feel further from your authentic self
• The importance of intrinsic motivation and "the purpose test"
• Reframing achievement: The GAP is just the GAME I love to play
• The dangers of the Wanting Mind and relentless dopamine chasing
• Letting go of the "golden ticket" mentality: other people do not hold the keys to your future
• Lessons from high achievers like Lindsey Vonn and Olympic athletes on love for the game (and also "Win Depression")
• Practical steps to stay motivated and grounded in your purpose for the long haul
• And SO much more!