Comedian and author Susan Calman chats to Mickey about her new book Sunny Side Up, covering all sorts of stuff, from how to navigate the depressing political environment of people yelling at each other on Twitter to making the future a kinder place for her niece, from ‘Thumbs Up Thursdays’ to being bait on Death Row. There's also cat chat. Obviously.

Over on Chops number two, Hannah asks what Michael Gove's recent drugs-related revelations mean for his crack at the Tory leadership contest, and chats drugs in the Commons in general, with host of the Say Why To Drugs podcast Dr Suzi Gage and one of our favourite political correspondents, Ayesha Hazarika. 

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