Terri White's debut book, Coming Undone, A Memoir, is an extraordinary piece of writing that deals with child abuse, alcoholism, mental breakdown and much more. She and Mick talk about all of that and also about kids growing up in poverty and how that’s still a reality now, why trauma shouldn’t be couched in euphemisms and metaphors, how Terri's view of success has altered, and why the fuck she decided to record her own audiobook.

Over on this week's other Chops, Jen chats to Ashley 'Dotty' Charles, who tells her that while we might all be angry at the world, if you don't pick your battles, you can't win the war. The broadcaster and writer chats about her excellent (and much-needed) new book Outraged: Why Everyone is Shouting and No One is Talking, about the difference between productive and not-at-all-helpful indignation, and how some people have built a career from being outraged. 

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