We've not one, but two, great chats about fascinating books in this week's podcast. Mickey talks to Zimbabwean author Tsitsi Dangarembga, whose latest novel, This Mournable Body, has been shortlisted for the Booker Prize, and who was recently arrested for taking part in a peaceful protest about government corruption. Meanwhile Hannah's been on the Zoom to Westboro Baptist Church apostate and author of new book Unfollow, Megan Phelps-Roper about leaving her family and her religion behind and what the world can learn from her experience. In Rated or Dated, we finally find a film we both love, 70-year-old Bette Davis classic All About Eve. And in BT, Joan makes a bid to finally seize control of the whole podcast. More news as it happens.

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