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June 05, 2023 Episode 18. Season 3 Round Table #2

Join us for a lively SNL Hall of Fame Roundtable discussion with our esteemed panel of SNL aficionados - Darrin Patterson, Jamie Burwood, Victoria Franso, and Deremy Dove. We dive into the credentials of our SNL Hall of Fame nominees, including the impact of musical guest Paul Simon and iconic cast members like Dana Carvey and Bill Murray. We also ponder the lasting effects of writers like Paula Pell on the show's legacy and debate the influence of guests like Christopher Walken, Conan O'Brien, and John Belushi.

Our spirited conversation takes us through the contributions of John Goodman, Jim Downey, and Candice Bergen, considering their potential induction into the SNL Hall of Fame. We reminisce about Goodman's versatile performances and chemistry with fellow cast members, Downey's daring comedic choices, and Bergen's groundbreaking legacy as a host. Throughout the discussion, we examine each nominee's lasting impact on SNL and the comedy landscape.

As the debate heats up, we touch on the credentials of beloved cast members like Molly Shannon and Bill Murray, and consider their iconic characters and performances. We also discuss the underappreciated talents of Anna Gasteyer and Cheri O'Teri, and explore Darren's outside-the-box pick for his ballot, Jan Hooks. So, prepare to laugh and reminisce with us as we celebrate the legends who shaped SNL and consider who deserves a coveted spot in the SNL Hall of Fame.

Transcript

0:00:08 - Speaker 1

It's the SNL Hall of Fame podcast with your host, Jamie Dube, Chief Librarian Thomas Senna, and featuring Matt Bardille At now. Curator of the Hall, Jamie Dube.

0:00:41 - Speaker 2

Yes, hello and welcome to the SNL Hall of Fame Roundtable. This is the show in which we invite SNL Hall of Fame voters, in this case all former guests on this podcast. We invite those voters former guests to share their ballot and their thought process behind their choices. So this is always an interesting exercise to get the psyche of some of our voters. So in previous roundtables as well, we've had panelists even cut deals with each other for votes. We've had panelists change each other's minds. So there's going to be some like, willing and dealing. There's going to be a lot of that going on, maybe tonight, maybe with our esteemed panelists that we have on this particular SNL Hall of Fame Roundtable. So why don't we get to it? Let's introduce our wonderful panel And I'm doing something a little different just off the top. I'm going to let the listeners know that I'm doing a little icebreaker question to just kind of briefly get to know each of our panelists. So the question is which current cast member not including Kenan Thompson, because he's the obvious choice? So which current cast member not including Kenan Thompson could you see in the SNL Hall of Fame one day? So that's going to be our little icebreaker once I introduce our wonderful guests. So let's get started.

Darren Patterson. Cohost of the SNL Nerds podcast. Darren, thank you so much for returning. You were on our Tom Hanks and Dana Carvey episode. Tom Hanks and SNL Hall of Famer. We'll see about Dana Carvey. Thank you so much, darren, for joining me today.

0:02:19 - Speaker 4

Thanks for having me, Tom. This is fantastic.

0:02:21 - Speaker 2

Yeah, yeah, we're excited. So the question is aside from Kenan Thompson, which current SNL cast member could you see in the SNL Hall of Fame one day?

0:02:32 - Speaker 4

I can only pick one, because I kind of.

0:02:34 - Speaker 2

Well, I don't know. Let's see. Well, who's your main one?

0:02:38 - Speaker 4

The main one from this cast, I probably would say Colin Geo's. Just because he's been on this show for so long, he's written so many, he's written a ton of called-opens and he's Him and Che have been the longest running SNL Weekend Update anchors, news anchors to date.

That's why I was thinking, just and Che probably the duo I could definitely see making it into the Hall of Fame. I could also see Boan making it into the Hall of Fame in the future. I mean, you know, first Asian cast member and he's made so many memorable, you know, snl Weekend Update.

0:03:27 - Speaker 2

Oh, the classic instant play, the Iceberg sketch alone.

0:03:30 - Speaker 4

Just exactly, Yeah. And even before that, I still remember when he made his first appearance he wasn't a cast member. It was in the Sandra Oh episode where he had to keep playing. I forget who he played, but he loved and impressed a lot of people's minds. People were like who's that guy? That guy is hilarious. And then the next season he became the cast member, So I could see, I could see Joe's Che Boan. There you go, That's a little. I like that.

0:03:56 - Speaker 2

I think Eggos is a good choice. I think Joe's and Che some day going in as a duo is interesting. It'd be like the Al Franken and Tom Davis, they kind of be on the ballot together. So yeah, wonderful choices. I can see all three of them some day. So next we have on our panel from TV show graphs. I say from TV show graphs, but I don't know if you are TV show graphs, if you just have taken on like that's your persona, like you are TV show graphs, or you're just from, or the creator of, tv show graphs.

0:04:28 - Speaker 5

I'll take it either way.

0:04:30 - Speaker 2

Just taking it either way. Yeah, so Jamie Burwood, who was a previous guest for the Molly Shannon episode in season one, also my guest for Will Ferrell, who is in the SNL Hall of Fame, and somebody who's on the ballot right now, christopher Walken. So, jamie, thank you so much for joining me and you got to answer this question.

0:04:48 - Speaker 5

Yeah, the icebreaker Okay. So I feel like those were all really good answers. Bowen was my initial just like gut reaction. I feel like just in terms of like having that like it factor where I feel like he'll continue to have that like longevity and like association with the show. I would say my other like maybe future looking pick would be like JJ, just like thinking about where I could see things going in the next few years and just like how unique it is, i think, for someone to come in with such the positive reception that he had and I feel like there's just an element of what he's doing that feels like really timeless comedy that like people could continue to appreciate for many, many years. So I would throw him into the mix but agreed with the other, with the other options as well.

0:05:42 - Speaker 2

Yeah, i could definitely see JJ master impressionist. I feel like we'll be talking about his impressions for years to come, like how we talk about Darrell Hammond, for instance. I think that's a really good choice. So, thank you so much. Jamie Next we have, who is the co host of the bigger than the game podcast, which is a really great sports and pop culture kind of podcast that I enjoy listening to, and he was my guest this season on the Dick Ebersol episode, which I found fascinating. He's going to be a really fascinating one here on the ballot. So, mr Jeremy Dove, thank you so much for joining me. Jeremy.

0:06:21 - Speaker 6

Thomas, i'm so pumped to be on with everybody. I'm honored honestly to talk about SNL Hall of Fame and see if my ballot can measure up to everyone else's and I'm open minded. So if someone brings up a great point and maybe I'm like I got to add this person or cut someone off, so I'm excited.

0:06:39 - Speaker 2

That's what we're doing here. We're willing and dealing.

0:06:41 - Speaker 6

We're willing and dealing.

0:06:42 - Speaker 2

Yeah, you can. You can exchange votes. You can talk somebody into or out of a vote. It's going to be yeah, you can do it this as you please. So, Jeremy, which current cast member not named Keenan Thompson Could you see in the SNL Hall of Fame someday?

0:06:55 - Speaker 6

For me it was the slam dunk and you kind of made that point of the way. Like Franken and Davis are duo and they're always going to be remembered as that duo. But Colin Joest and Michael Che just what those two, the chemistry that they have, the way that they bring I always love it when someone makes weekend update appointment television And those two have really done that and they've really, you know, brought that to the zeitgeist where I know plenty of people who don't watch SNL but want to watch those two and see what they're going to do And I think also what they're doing, as you know, head writers and behind the scenes. I'm interested in, once they're done with the show, to kind of look at their legacy and see like they're going to be in that category where I don't know if we fully appreciate it all that they've, you know, put it to the show. So those are my two that I look at as slam dunk. Hall of famers.

0:07:49 - Speaker 2

Yeah. So it sounds like when it's time for Michael Che and Joest to be up for consideration for the Hall of Fame, jamie do and I are going to have to have a conversation about should we put them in as a duo, right? Should we put them in together? So that, yeah, that's going to be interesting. You and Darren both brought up really great things for consideration. So, yeah, jeremy, thank you so much. And finally, we have someone who's an improv and sketch performer, currently based in Chicago, also a frequent guest on our good friends at the Saturday Night Network. She's a frequent guest on their network and also my recent guest on the Amy Poehler episode of the SNL Hall of Fame. So, victoria Fronto, thank you so much. Welcome to the SNL Hall of Fame round table.

0:08:36 - Speaker 3

I am so excited to be here. This is my first, hopefully not my last, but this is a. It was very difficult to try to rank these people because you think everyone deserves not everyone, but deserve to be in the Hall of Fame.

0:08:52 - Speaker 2

So, aside from Kenan Thompson, who we can all agrees the obvious choice among the current cast member, who from the current cast could you see in the SNL Hall of Fame someday?

0:09:03 - Speaker 3

So I'll be really honest and say that this current cast is killer. They have some really awesome folks on here And I think, besides Kenan, the obvious would be as mentioned a few times here would be Colin Joseph and Michael Che, but I'm actually stuck between Chloe Feynman, heidi Gardner and Ego Newotem.

I think yeah, i think Chloe Chloe's impressions and characters is are really one of a kind and really unique to her. And then, of course, heidi and Ego I think arguably too, could potentially be a duo as well, kind of like a teen and Amy situation. But yeah, those are the three I would say could be up in the Hall of Fame one day.

0:09:52 - Speaker 2

Yeah, especially, i think I hope Ego and Heidi especially I think, they've turned in with a lot of. Chloe is still potential, but I think, with Heidi and Ego, i think they've already started to establish a body of work. Yeah, i hope they get their proper dues. So yeah, thank you so much for.

0:10:09 - Speaker 3

I do want to give an honorable mention to James Austin Johnson Like I think Jamie just said too, because he did his first episode, was the first person we saw in a cold open. I don't think we've ever seen that.

0:10:23 - Speaker 5

Or if we have.

0:10:24 - Speaker 2

If we have, it's been a while, so that's in itself, i think, hall of Fame, where they Yeah, when he was a newbie he just came out and just did Joe Biden an impression of Joe Biden like immediately.

0:10:36 - Speaker 5

Yeah.

0:10:36 - Speaker 2

So, yeah, that has to be points once a long time from now, maybe, when James Austin Johnson is up for nomination, i'm sure that'll be mentioned. So thank you all of you panelists. And now I want to ask you guys. So we changed the voting process a little bit this time around. So now voters are required to vote for at least one person in each of the main categories. So we have as the categories cast member, host, musical guest and writer. So voters have to vote for at least one person in one of those categories, and then you have 11 votes to do as you please. You can just vote for four nominees and that's it. You can use all 15 votes that you have at your disposal. It's up to you. We've had a wide range over these last few voting cycles, so I'm going to start with you, victoria. How many votes Did you use on your ballot and why?

0:11:32 - Speaker 3

I used all because I'm a sucker, i can't choose.

0:11:38 - Speaker 2

You're just positive, putting pretty positivity out into the world.

0:11:41 - Speaker 3

I mean it's, if you're on Saturday Night Live, you're on there for a reason, right? they don't just choose anybody. So I think it's hard to not use all of my votes. I had a hard time, so yeah.

0:11:55 - Speaker 2

So Victoria, yeah, victoria, 15 votes that she's going to use on her ballot. Jeremy, how many votes are you using?

0:12:03 - Speaker 6

I used all 15 as well. So I'm with Victoria. I went off 15 and for me it's just. I mean, this ballot is, i start to feel now for people who have to really vote for people in Hall of Fame, like you know, in Sports Hall of Fame, like I'm always getting on them, how could you leave this guy out or how you leave that person out. But it is hard and for me, being a lover of history and I love looking at things in a historical aspect, so there's like the heavy hitters who are like the automatic slam dunks on the ballot, but then there's other people who maybe they don't get the recognition from the public, but their historical value to the show and what the impact that they made. I take that into consideration big time. So I used all 15.

0:12:48 - Speaker 2

So Jamie Burwood. how many votes did you use on your ballot?

0:12:53 - Speaker 5

Yeah, so keeping it going, i used all 15 of my votes as well. For me, this was just a super stacked ballot, honestly, even more so than the last voting round. I really struggled to even narrow it down to the 15. And I think, for me, just realizing how many different ways people can contribute to the show as well like looking at the list of writers, looking at hosts it's just, it's so hard to compare apples to apples. So, yeah, i had no problem using all 15.

0:13:22 - Speaker 2

Yeah, and I do have a feeling that most of our voters will use all 15 of their votes. I know I'm a voter as well. I think I'll probably use all 15 votes. It's just kind of a stacked class and there's a lot of tough decisions to be made, so I think you all are not alone in using all 15 votes. So let's get to it. I'm going to name the nominees just to just to reiterate again for our listeners, and then we will reveal everybody's ballots. So the nominees for this this year's class.

For the cast member category, we have John Belushi, dana Carvey, jane Curtin, jan hooks, bill Murray, amy Polar, maya Rudolph and Molly Shannon. For hosts, we have Drew Barrymore, candice Bergen, john Goodman, elliott Gould, buck Henry, scarlett Johansson, melissa McCarthy, john Mulaney, paul Rudd, emma Stone, justin Timberlake, lily Tomlin and Christopher Walken lot of hosts on the on the ballot this year. Musical guests we have Beyonce, elvis Costello, miley Cyrus, dave Grohl, paul McCartney, tom Petty and the heartbreakers Prince, rihanna and Paul Simon. And for the writer category, we have James Downey, al Franken and Tom Davis, jack Handy, the Lonely Island, conan O'Brien, michael O'Donohue, paul Appel, herb Sargent and Robert Smigel, and we also have kind of a wild card nominee here. So it's not. He's not part of one of the four main categories, so voters do not have to vote for him.

There's no separate producer category, but if somebody chooses, they could use one of their 11 remaining votes to vote for Dick Ebersol, who is on the ballot. Darren, he's giving the thumbs up. He was my guest on the Dick Ebersol episode and I'm curious to see what what you all have to say about Dick Ebersol when we get to him. If we get to him, i feel like we will get to him, though. So now's time where we reveal your ballots, so I want to start with Darren Patterson. So, darren, who's the first person you would like to talk about from your ballot?

0:15:39 - Speaker 4

First person I'd like to talk about. I hmm, maybe we'll go with musical guest, just because it's like I only chose two people from there, really. So yeah, musical guest the first person who. I think it's a no brainer that they should absolutely be in SNL Hall of Fame, mr Paul Simon, you know he was there. He's been there since the beginning. He's good friends with Lorne. He's always sort of been, i guess, sort of the the fact or the fault musical guest, like when the show was first starting. Of course there was. You know he's been in a few sketches here and there. It was the famous sketch where he had that sort of reunion with Garfunkel and you know kind of you know, maybe not nice word for said. You know, of course there's a they called open waves like a dress or the opening monologue. Rather, we dressed good turkey for Thanksgiving episode, like he's always just sort of been, you know, this sort of old souls, old presence of the of the show for forever. So yeah, number one musical guest Paul Simon.

0:16:46 - Speaker 2

And, as I told my guest on that episode, maddie Price, were kind of playing fast and loose with the criteria for Paul Simon because he was only billed as a musical guest eight times I think, but he played music on the show about 15 times. So I think we should probably I would import voters to maybe take into account all 15 of those times he was host and he performed music. He performed music when he wasn't billed as anything on the show. So Paul Simon, maybe Lorne Michael's best friend and just part of the fabric of SNL. So wonderful pick, darren. Do any of you have Paul Simon on your ballots?

0:17:27 - Speaker 6

Yes, yes, he was my slam dunk musical guest as well. I think about two things the what happened after 911 and him singing the boxer and that whole moment kind of helped to In a way heal the country and such an iconic moment in SNL history you know, with Giuliani and all the firemen You know behind in Lauren coming on stage. And I also think about the SNL 40th And the fact that I think Paul was touring I forget where but Lauren pretty much saying like I need you here, you have to come. So Paul Simon flying in like on the red eye to be there for that event, but just kind of showing how important his place is, not just for Lauren but SNL history. So Paul Simon was my musical guest, slam dunk now very good.

0:18:17 - Speaker 2

So, jamie, victoria to either of you. Jamie, do you have Paul Simon on yours?

0:18:22 - Speaker 5

Yeah, i did, and I struggled with the music category a bit as well, but I did end up including him. I think Something that comes into play for me and it's there's so many different factors, but I think, like impact across decades is something I talked a little bit about last time and I think, for all the reasons that were said before, but also I think for that like Longevity and like having impacted different types of ways, was what pushed him over over the edge for me.

0:18:51 - Speaker 2

Yeah, his first appearance was in the second episode of the show And if that was basically the Paul Simon show, which is in 75 in season one, and then his most recent, i believe, was 2018. So you're right, i mean just spanning eras, more so than almost anybody in the show's history. Victoria, what do you think Paul Simon make your cut?

0:19:10 - Speaker 3

You know what He did not, but that doesn't mean I don't think he's eventually worthy. I mean, i do think he's worthy, but I only had. So no. For my musical guest I chose Beyonce. Has the most Grammys, has, you know, played such a significant part of SNL outside of her physical appearance on the show has made? She's a global icon. And you know who's are we gonna forget? like the Justin Timberlake, you know Lonely Island sketch No Beyonce. So double dipping, triple dipping.

0:19:47 - Speaker 2

Yeah, a musical guest, though. That's great, and we I've noticed in the past that musical guests have been kind of shut out. I mean, they have been shut out as far as voting goes. So it's kind of neat to see all of you have at least one musical guest, if not more. So, specifically to Beyonce, jamie Dermey Darren. Do any of you have Beyonce on your ballot, jamie? why not?

0:20:13 - Speaker 5

I didn't. I think it was just a limited. I feel like there's folks where I'm like, okay, next time, like next time, i'm getting them on and then we'll see what the battle looks like next time. I feel like it's always super crowded, but I'll keep her on my shortlist for next time.

0:20:27 - Speaker 2

Jeremy, are we, are you on Victoria's side or?

0:20:31 - Speaker 6

sorry, victoria. So for three, i gotta Not go with Beyonce on my list. It's just, she's iconic, she's great And, like Darren said, no disrespect to the beehive because they're always listening, but I just don't associate her For SNL Hall of Fame. She hauled very good, but not the Hall of Fame. So I have those. I got tough standards, so no, no Beyonce on my list.

0:20:58 - Speaker 2

So if we're taking this four-person sample size, beyonce may have to wait Next voting cycle and we'll see unless, unless the unless the beehive kind of gets wind of this And I'm sure they'll push her over the edge.

0:21:12 - Speaker 3

All in that one tweet it just takes one.

0:21:14 - Speaker 2

Oh no, that sounded like a threat. I heard that. I heard that in your voice, victoria. We'll see. Alright, mobilized the beehive, let's go. Jeremy, i want to stay with you. Who do you want to talk about?

0:21:28 - Speaker 6

I'm gonna go with the host category and mine might be a little bit different, i don't know, but I'm going with someone on the first ballot It was this season, i believe episode 2. I gotta go with Buck Henry. For me he was my slam dunk for the host For just the way his impact was on those initial five years and I'm someone who is Very partial to anything that's like the foundation of something I'm gonna give a lot of credit to. And when you think of there's two people in that era who were hosts and a Lot of people get confused and think they were a part of the cast and obviously that's Steve Martin, number one and number two It's Buck Henry and just for a long time, until I think, like the 88 89 season, had the most hosting Appearances than anyone else.

So I mean, we talked about five timers club and how big of a deal that is for SNL lore. We got to give it to like the OG of that and that's, you know, buck Henry. And even just it was his suggestion for recurring characters, which is, you know him telling like to Lauren and all the writers, like that Belushi samurai sketch. We should, you know, got to do it again And you know just his impact on the show and his impact with influencing the original cast. Buck Henry is my slam dunk for host.

0:22:50 - Speaker 2

All right, buck Henry the first go-to host in SNL history. He hosted twice a year the first five seasons of the show. Pretty good and understandable choice. Jamie, how do you feel about Buck Henry?

0:23:04 - Speaker 5

Yeah, so I did include him as well. I think just really being like first member of the five-timers club for me was like okay, that's, that's a big credential like that. That really holds a lot of weight, i think. And it also was thinking about like when he was hosting. So like he hosted multiple like series, or season finale is, i Feel like for him like it wasn't just about frequency either. It was really like the role that he played and how people saw him as part of the show and just really being Integral to like the feel that the show had in in those early years. So yeah, for for me He was Not like the very top of my overall list, but definitely like made the cut for the 15.

0:23:44 - Speaker 2

All right, darren, you're an SNL scholar, i believe. how do you feel about Buck Henry?

0:23:50 - Speaker 4

Yes, yeah, i feel very good about Buck Henry. He actually made my list, um, for a lot of the reasons I dare me said he's just one of the. You know, key integral host has been there since day one. I mean, i mean the man got hit with the samurai sword mid-sketched and kept on going. I mean that's, that's dedication. I mean I don't care what you say and yeah, you know, he's always been there. You know some, some of the characters he played me Maybe, maybe have an age as well. That uncle.

0:24:21 - Speaker 2

Roy.

0:24:22 - Speaker 4

Yes, i'll go.

0:24:25 - Speaker 2

Yeah, let's yeah.

0:24:28 - Speaker 4

But uh, yeah, like you know, he's been, he was, he's been there for so long, has a longevity.

0:24:34 - Speaker 2

Yeah, for me, yeah, he does all right buck, henry, on three ballots so far, victoria, are we making it four for four?

0:24:41 - Speaker 3

We sure are. He is part of the foundation of this show and, as Jamie mentioned as well, the first five-timer, i mean he's a ten-timer at least. So I mean he's, he's iconic, he's a legend and you know, if you're an SNL nerd, you know who he is. So He, i mean, i feel like that's a no-brainer.

0:25:04 - Speaker 2

So I guess, going into voting and the reveal of the SNL Hall of Fame this season, you've got to be feeling good about Buck Henry's chances from from how it sounds. So, jamie Burwood, i want to go to you now, and who would you like to talk about from your ballot?

0:25:20 - Speaker 5

Yeah, so I'm gonna move it into the writing category Because this is one where I was really disappointed It didn't get in the first time, was even more disappointed They didn't get in the second time.

So really gonna try to work on on the pitch for this one, and this is the lonely island. So for me I I just feel like thinking about the impact that they had on the show and taking it to the next era was just so huge and I feel like sometimes Isn't something we recognize enough. Just really the way that they made SNL comedy Viral friendly in a way that allowed the show to evolve and that I honestly think played a big part in the fact that We're still here today. The show made the changes with the times into this more kind of like snippet Viral friendly world. I just think about the era with them and the role that they played and like defining the tone of the The show. I could go on and on, but I will stop there, super passionate about this one in terms of just the, the role that they played in their era.

0:26:31 - Speaker 2

So I have cut the the most passionate professional wrestling promos on why The Lonely Island should be in the SNL Hall of Fame and that the fact that they're not It's a really. I think out of anybody who's not in the SNL Hall of Fame who has been on the ballot before, i think I'm most passionate about the Lonely Island, so it's just kind of ridiculous to me that they're not in. so does anybody Agree with me? want to take up that mantle, that? take up that cause, darren? Yes, what do you?

0:26:59 - Speaker 4

think, yeah, i'll, i will take that cause up with you, sir. I had them on my list as well, just because, basically a lot of reasons Jamie said, just the way they were able to sort of Bring in SNL to like the new era is like really pretty unprecedented, because I mean, yes, snl has had short films on the On the show before, like you know, the Albert Brooks stuff, the Shiller, tom Shiller, you know. You know Short films and whatnot, but I think the thing that separates Lonely Island from them is they were coming up around the same time YouTube was becoming big and like people were getting into that and So like it was like the sort of perfect marriage where they were coming up with these you know We are little videos and and also the music videos too, and like YouTube sort of helped, you know, elevate them and bring out, sure, snl into like a whole new era and also like the songs that they came out.

0:27:55 - Speaker 2

Yeah, really, there's a chance like I'm on a boat.

0:27:59 - Speaker 4

My pants, yeah, i, yeah, i mean a dick in a box. I think one of Grammy or at least was like nominated, i'm pretty sure one. I know it was definitely nominated and It was like the impact they left. You can still see it on the show today, like after they left they were still trying to do those catching music videos with Pete and Chris red and Like even now we're pleased on destroyed people. Still, they get compared to Lonely Island. Does you know? I'm time to time. So, yeah, lonely Island. They definitely left like a legacy behind when they left. I mean it's, i mean just that incredible, that incredible bad album.

0:28:36 - Speaker 2

I still think, yeah, fantastic and full of bangers classic Jeremy, what do you have to say about the Lonely Island?

0:28:44 - Speaker 6

I Hey, I've done it before, I'll do it again. I think I stand alone on the fact that they are not on my list.

0:28:52 - Speaker 2

Oh no, I'm sorry, so the person I was yelling at in the past was you. It was.

0:28:58 - Speaker 6

All right, it was, and the thing is it's it's someone's Gotta get cut, you know, that's the thing. So I'm not here to say that they're not worthy of the Hall of Fame, because everyone made great points. I just look at everyone else on the list. I want to give props to those of past generations Because I feel like the younger audience will forget them, and I want to give them their props. And I just also to what Jamie said earlier. There's some people on here who have hit like cross-generational as far as either a cast member or a writer or host, and I want to give them their love. So I think the Lonely Island if they don't make it this year, i definitely probably can see me voting for them from the next ballot. But they were a tough one, but they did not make my my top 15.

0:29:47 - Speaker 2

Victoria, are you gonna agree with Jeremy, or are you on the correct side?

0:29:56 - Speaker 3

I I I'm shook. I Agree with Jeremy in that we should give those who've given SNL It's name and the reason why it's here today, because it's a strong foundation, it's it set the tone for other you know comedic ventures, but the Lonely Island Emmy award winners, grammy nominated, for sure deserve a spot in the Hall of Fame. I mean they were. I don't want to say they're ahead of their time, but I guess they've helped SNL stay on course and be with the times and not be so old-school. And, you know, push forward a new way of thinking. And I Think Darren mentioned it too of you know those music videos with Pete Davidson and Chris Radd. And now, please don't destroy. I mean we wouldn't have those, quite frankly, if it wasn't for the Lonely Island and I'm a mother lover, you're a mother lover, we can love, you know, i mean catchy, like what was it called? I'm on a boat is so iconic to. I mean I Don't feel like that's really an argument, thomas, do you like? I feel like that's just like an, also a no-brainer.

0:31:12 - Speaker 2

Yeah well, here on the SNL Hall of Fame, we respect everybody's opinion and it's all valid, but I should point out In order to get into the SNL Hall of Fame And the nominee needs sixty six point seven percent of the vote. Lonely Island had about sixty two last cycle. I think they're gonna get in this. That's just my prediction. Judging by, they got seventy five percent Here, unofficially, including myself. They got eighty percent, so I kind of a feeling.

0:31:44 - Speaker 6

I'll say this if they get in, i'm not gonna be like what, like I'll be for it. Okay, you know I'm not like anti. Yeah, i won't do that. There's some other names on here who I might do that for, but not Lonely Island.

0:31:58 - Speaker 3

I'm down if they get in, listen all it. All it takes is one tweet.

0:32:04 - Speaker 2

Oh, victoria's trying to utilize, like she's trying to weaponize. Okay, he really is. Geez, victoria. So I want to. I want to see when to go back to you, victoria. Who do you want to talk about next on your list? I have zero followers.

0:32:16 - Speaker 3

It's funny. Oh Man, I want to say Paula Pell.

0:32:22 - Speaker 2

Paul, up hell in the writer category. Yeah.

0:32:26 - Speaker 3

I mean one. Her tenure there was Long, i think, from 1995 to 2013. That's almost 20 years. Is that right? my math thing, correctly, okay, yeah, i graduate from the College of Communication where minimal math was required for a reason. But no, i mean you know the Spartan cheerleaders, debbie Downer, the omeletville Justin Timberlake character. I mean she's put up such great characters that are Stand out in SNL history. I mean it would be hard for me to not include her on on my ballot.

0:33:02 - Speaker 2

And very influential to Jamie. You have Paula Pell.

0:33:05 - Speaker 5

I did. Yeah, i just listened to this podcast episode the other day and Was already convinced, but it really put me over the edge. I think I talk a lot about like her era in SNL, just because I I love that era and I feel like I I maybe don't give enough credit sometimes to the writing beyond that era and I think she was such a critical Writing force of that time and I definitely have a sweet spot, i think, for writers that do a great job of creating characters and, like Victoria said, she really shown in that way. I also just think she's a wonderful Person and so she gets the wonderful person bonus point, but just impact alone for that era from the writing side. I did include her.

0:33:50 - Speaker 2

Yeah, she had her thumb prints on a lot of things that we don't even realize. Definitely it was interesting to go back and research. Darren, How do you feel you have Paula Pell?

0:34:00 - Speaker 4

Look, i have her on. I wrote her down as one of the writers but I didn't Ultimately choose her just because I think the writers character is like a really Stack deck. And you know, while I do appreciate Paula Pell, i love girls, five ever, i love it all But I didn't, i didn't quite choose it just because I felt there were maybe a few there a little bit more stronger. But yeah, i mean, paula Pell is fantastic. She's like you know, she, i do. Sometimes I do feel like she kind of gone, unsung in a lot of way than meets, you know, a lot more loved. And she, she got on the show, or you know.

0:34:40 - Speaker 2

Yeah, and this one is tough. If you had to make that cut, i had to make some tough cuts. Man, we don't have to walk on eggshells. This is a safe space. We can bellow it out with confidence. We didn't and we didn't. If you didn't vote for Paula Pell, then and that's perfectly fine, i think. I think, with writers in general, sometimes it's hard to know what they wrote and what they did, and especially in the late 90s to mid 2000s that she was involved in. So I'm always curious to see how writers are gonna do here. But Definitely fair enough, darren Daryn, me, how about you?

0:35:12 - Speaker 6

Absolutely Yes, paula Pell makes my list for what everyone else said, the sketches that are so iconic from cheerleaders Debbie Downer, like that was like all of us love SNL, but everyone had to watch those Debbie Downer sketches, her work in association with Kristen Wiig and she was really a big part of her popular sketches as well, and also in that rise in those like 2000s when Tina Fey and Amy Poehler and Maya and Kristen kind of really You know, put women on the forefront of SNL, like really the first time by really taking over and not making it a boys club, and I feel like Paula Pell was a big part behind the scenes and making that happen. So for me, the way you guys talked about Lonely Island, i think it's a crime that she's on the second ballot. So Paula Pell is a definite one for me.

0:36:02 - Speaker 2

Yeah, paula Pell, snl, was much better off having her voice on the writing staff. Absolutely So, darren. You have Paul, simon, buck, henry and the Lonely Island So far. So who's another person on your ballot you would like to bring up?

0:36:18 - Speaker 4

Well, let's forget the person I talked to you about on the last time I was here, dana Carvey. I think it's no brainer, i think he's one of those people who maybe people kind of forgot about how impactful he was in his day, just because, like he's still around now and he's still, you know, his own late night shows and he has his podcast. But like you have to remember, like when he was on the show, how hard he hit and how much he just elevated every scene and elevated the show. Like his very first episode he came out with the Chopin Broccoli sketch which was like something he'd done in stand-up and I think, like I mentioned the last time I was on a podcast, like a cast member is lucky if they have one memorable recurring character that they can go to with a catchphrase.

And Dana Carvey had multiple recurring characters with multiple, you know, catchphrases. He was the church lady, he was Hans and Franz. He was, you know, garth Wayne and Garth He was. I mean, he had the Johnny Carson impression, he was the George W Bush. He had like all these impressions, all these characters. He was just like knocking it out the park like every episode And he was just like really beloved and everybody really liked him and he was just like a great performer and I don't know like Dana Carvey, like in his prime.

0:37:38 - Speaker 2

Yeah, he was a force and I have a feeling that we're gonna have a clean sweep here, but I don't know, somebody might surprise me. Let's see, victoria, what say you?

0:37:47 - Speaker 3

What say me? Of course, of course, dana Carvey. I mean it was just mentioned, hans and Franz, church lady, i mean. But more than that, going to Jeremy's point, and I, you know, even though I have some recent folks on here, i do pay homage later in my ballot to those who came before us, especially women, but Dana Carvey is someone who, without him, there is none of these recent folks either. So you know it's where. So we, we keep standing on the shoulders of those before us and he is a shoulder of muscle. I don't know if that's a real phrase, but he's a shoulder of muscle, he's like his and then leave, you know Wayne's world, and then all his other stuff afterward, is, is, is killer. I don't think I feel like that. One is also an obvious one. I'm kind of confused as to why he's not in there already but, we will, but we will discuss, we will discuss.

0:38:49 - Speaker 2

Well, he's not in there because this is his first time on the ballot. See at the Esenola fame. We kind of like to space it out a little bit. So this was just his first time on the ballot, so that that's an easy reason. It was no slide against Dana.

0:39:03 - Speaker 3

Okay, i'll tell Twitter to back off.

0:39:06 - Speaker 2

Yeah, tell him to back off. Thank you, jamie Burwood. Are you a fan of Dana Carvey?

0:39:11 - Speaker 5

Yeah, definitely. I think, just when you think about like performers that are just so associated with their era on SNL everyone's already touched on just characters, i think church lady, like in the conversation, for just top one of the top tier, all time characters impressions, i feel like people will still play the like George HW clips and it just has that lasting impact. So, yeah, for me I don't think there is a. I'd be curious to hear an argument to not include him, but for me I think it's a no brainer. Agreed.

0:39:49 - Speaker 2

Jeremy do have four for four.

0:39:52 - Speaker 6

Absolutely. That was, for you know, the one, the four that we had to have. Dana was my cast member. For me, i look at it like on my episode when I was on with you, thomas, i talked about Dick Ebersol and that Eddie Murphy, joe Piscobo. That's the first cast that saved the show from like being done. The second was with Dana Carvey and Phil Hartman, kevin Nealon and all those And, honestly for me, if I see a greatest SNL list and Dana Carvey isn't in the top 10, that's when I'm just like throwing an outrage, i'm throwing papers, i'm going what the heck is this? Dana Carvey, to me, is a top 10 SNL cast member, so it's a no brainer, dana Carvey.

0:40:37 - Speaker 2

Yeah, i think Dana is going to be. I'll go out on a limb and say he's going to be a lock. I think he's going to get voted in here on his first try And with him to me it's not just is he an SNL, snl Hall of Famer, it's, is he on the Mount Rushmore of SNL cast members? And I think that's the conversation that Dana is in. Jeremy, who's who's next on your list?

0:40:58 - Speaker 6

For me this person was the writer lock. So the other three are all mentioned for my locks Paul Simon, dana Carvey. I mentioned Buck Henry. I'm going for that writer, robert Schmigel, who was brought up his own first time on the ballot, and just so many of the iconic sketches that he was a part of, from TV Funhouse to the, that finale for the 85, 86 season with the John Lovitz you know, and you know Billy Martin and Lauren, like they're burning up, like that cast and who will survive, and that's pretty gutsy, for like that was Michael's first season, and for him to kind of write that sketch, the iconic not going to phone it in tonight, that code open with Steve Martin that everyone still talks about to this day, the bear sketch.

There's just so many things that Robert Schmigel has an impact on And from that initial run in the 80s into the mid 90s and then he's come back and done so many things. Robert Schmigel to me is also like, as far as a writer, a slam dunk Hall of Famer. As far as writers they kind of like what you said, thomas, it's not. If he's going to be a Hall of Famer is, is he on that pantheon of Mount Rushmore of greatest SNL writers. So for me Robert Schmigel is easy.

0:42:16 - Speaker 2

Yeah, darren. What do you think about Robert Schmigel?

0:42:20 - Speaker 4

I think, yes, i had him down as one of my writers to. He's like one of those writers just really defined his era of SNL. I mean, you know, like Darren me said, like with the TV fun house, a lot of those, if you go back and watch some of those TV fun, a lot of them. He's really pushing the envelope in a lot of oh yeah, like you know, the form with real audio, especially that one, i think, sex in the country which is Jesus. I mean, wow, victoria.

0:42:52 - Speaker 3

Well, now that you say that, no, i completely agree with everything Jeremy said. I wouldn't change anything about what Jeremy said, but my only thing is he did not make the ballot this time around, i'm really sorry to say, as just his work is phenomenal just didn't have that much of an impact on me. That's all Nothing against him. If I had 16, he'd be on there. They only gave me 15. Sorry, so you're passing the buck.

0:43:22 - Speaker 2

You're blaming me and Jamie. Jamie, do for for our, for our, oppressive rules for voting.

0:43:29 - Speaker 3

Yeah, all right, i got it.

0:43:31 - Speaker 2

I got it. I'll say this about Robert Smigel and Bill Kenny and I had a good conversation about it. I think if you only looked at his sketch writing, he might be an SNL Hall of Famer, and if you only looked at TV fun house on its own he might be an SNL Hall of Famer, but combined it's a pretty big argument. just the totality of it all, i think. So he would get my vote.

Smits gay, I mean it's gay is one of the one of the iconic ad parodies of the early 90s. Yeah, so Robert was just behind. So much And I think at some point he may get in and it'll be very well deserved. So I want to go to Jamie Burwood find out who's next on your list.

0:44:18 - Speaker 5

All right. So staying with the cast had to go with Amy. This was tip top of my list. Just no question on this one. for me, definitely like top three across my ballot overall. I think just looking at how she was like promoted so quickly from featured player to full cast member, just thinking about I think the versatility for her is what really stands out. Just thinking about weekend update, impact characters, impressions, like the political bits, like just every little piece she touched upon. And I just when I think, when people think about that era of the early 2000s, like you can't talk about that era without talking about Amy. So for me she was a definite check plus, plus, plus.

0:45:15 - Speaker 2

And Victoria Franca. You were my guest on the Amy Poehler episode In this season. Do I even have to ask?

0:45:22 - Speaker 3

You don't, you absolutely don't, but I just, jamie, just said it. She was the first woman to be promoted within her first season at Saturday Night Live as someone who's trying to semi-follow on her footsteps of being in the Chicago comedy scene. I don't think people truly understand what she's done. Pre-snl in this realm is such a big deal and not many people get to experience it. And then I mean this will explain why she's she was number one. I also just wanted to defend my episode. It would be silly for me not to have her on my ballot, but she, if you go to her Wikipedia page and you look at her awards it has, you have to go to a different Wikipedia page to list all of her awards and norms. So enough said she's. You know she's one of a kind, she's the first of many And yeah, i mean for my mention this in that episode that I am standing on her shoulders and I know that she's standing on others, but for me she's the one pulling me up to the top.

0:46:30 - Speaker 2

So All right, Darren Patterson, does Amy Poehler get the thumbs up from you?

0:46:35 - Speaker 4

She does. She was on my list. I mean it's, i don't know how you can not have her on the show. She's, i don't know, she's fantastic, she's phenomenal. You know, founding member of the UCB and the episode she didn't really show that she's like had strong improv chops from the from the jump. You know her time. A weekend update was memorable with both with Tina and with Seth.

0:47:03 - Speaker 6

Yeah, that's a no brainer, It's, she's. she's someone like you can make a case kind of like it's hard not to even put her in like anyone's top 10 of all time kind of lists. So Amy Poehler's easy.

0:47:15 - Speaker 2

Yeah, Amy Poehler's super beloved. I have a feeling we'll be sending her her Hall of Fame plaque here in the next few months. Darren, I'll go back to you Who's next on your list.

0:47:26 - Speaker 4

Well, let's go back to host And this, this host I wrote, i wrote down, i believe one of you guys talked about on the episode Christopher Walken Let's talk about, start talking about walking. I feel like he's yeah, i mean, he's pretty much he's a no brainer just to get into the Hall of Fame again. He's one of those hosts you wouldn't think would be good in comedic sketches, just because he mainly he does drama and he has, you know, he's a bit of an odd character But somehow a Sunnell was able to like funnel that odd energy he has into all these classic sketches. You know, of course, the continental kernel Angus And you know, and of course, the cowbell sketch with the blue oyster skull, one of the most iconic sketch that people are still quoting to this day.

You know, i got to have more cowbell. Yeah, it is. It is strange like how, you know, christopher Walken does have this kind of odd energy, is able to funnel that into comedy to show that he's not, you know, such a, you know, kind of weird weirdo, but he's actually pretty funny too And he's actually has comedic chops.

0:48:40 - Speaker 5

So, in addition to all those points, i feel like just the way that his episodes had this like kind of total feel to them of like you had certain things you look forward to, like those opening musical numbers that were just always a little bit zamy and fun and certain recurring characters and sketches that he participated in, kind of bringing to the next level. I feel like he was always up for anything And I think like what's really what's really interesting to me about him and we talked a little bit about this in the podcast was not only did like you see him having an impact on the show, you see the show impacting how people think about him. Like when you talk to somebody about Christopher Walken, they think of SNL. Like it's just become so intertwined like his identity and SNL, that I feel like he he had to get one of my votes.

0:49:33 - Speaker 2

So, darmie, does Christopher Walken's odd energy and personality resonate with you?

0:49:40 - Speaker 6

It does but not for my list. But okay, he doesn't make my list. But, like, i'm a big fan of Christopher Walken And everyone has made great points and you know, got nothing but love for everybody. But I will say this, and I believe, thomas, we spoke about this like back when I was on the show with you, like off air And I might get some heat for it But if you take away in the cowbell sketches iconic top five sketch of all time if you take that away, i don't think Christopher Walken is making the impact with everyone.

In my opinion I'd like to weigh everyone else is saying so I feel like there's moments That can be Hall of Fame worthy. There's those Hall of like in sports, hall of Fame type of games, hall of Fame type of contributors, in other ways. But I feel like that sketch is how Christopher Walken, in my opinion, should be in a Hall of Fame. He's a part of a Hall of Fame sketch, a Mount Rushmore sketch, but you take that away. are people really talking about Christopher Walken on SNL like is he hitting it that same way? I Personally don't think so. So Christopher Walken, i could see him getting in in the future on my ballot, but for right now he's. He's a. It's a tough one, but no.

0:50:54 - Speaker 2

Victoria, what do you think I?

0:50:56 - Speaker 3

Agree with Jeremy here. I outside of cowbell and maybe Colonel Angus, which is like Just recently came a top of mind, i Can't really name anything else I mean in the cowbell itself, i think The star of that was Will Ferrell, so he wasn't even a focal point really in that for me. So I mean not to say he's not talented, not to say he's not iconic, but I think when it comes to I think he deserves to be in a Hall of Fame like an actor or comedy Hall of Fame.

0:51:27 - Speaker 2

But just ball.

0:51:28 - Speaker 3

Hall of Fame right, but just for me, it wouldn't be the Saturday Night Live Hall of Fame. And if you're listening to this, christopher Walken And I know that you are Don't kill me.

0:51:39 - Speaker 6

All it takes is one tweet.

0:51:42 - Speaker 2

All right, victoria. Who are gonna be tweeting about next? who's on your list?

0:51:46 - Speaker 3

This is hard. This is hard. I moved, i Took someone else out and I, as we were talking, and I replaced this person with them. I won't say it because I feel like this person can be mentioned by someone else, but a writer and, i think, someone who is, who deserves their flowers, at least from NBC The one and only Conan O'Brien. Conan O'Brien is Undoubtedly funny. He's made such an impact on Saturday Night Live and I feel like he's. You know, i think he's earned it and and how much work he's put in. And you know, we all know Conan O'Brien. He's, i think he's a staple in the comedy world low-loan Saturday Night Live and, and his career wouldn't be where it is today without Saturday Night Live. So that's so.

0:52:34 - Speaker 2

I've added him in all right, team Cocoa Victoria is. Team Cocoa Is anybody else. Does anybody else have Conan on their list? And if not, why not? I'm actually want to go to Darren. What do you think about Conan O'Brien?

0:52:49 - Speaker 4

Hey look, i love Coco, i love mr, mr O'Brien I I came very close to having a moment. Let's very close. Just, you know, just he is, of course, you know, in the eight. I think the 80s era as an L is the era I grew up with, right, that's why I really have an affinity for it. And so to see, like Conan O'Brien in that era, where he was with other writers, like You know, bob, odin, kirk and and Schmeigel, like that really Endured me to him. Of course He was a fantastic writer with a Simpsons. He was in the very first five-timers Club sketch, of course.

0:53:25 - Speaker 6

It was a very easy no for me because I Definitely respect Conan as the performer and the late-night host and what he's become. But I feel on the show He was a part of a group of writers that like emerged, but there's not a lot of sketches that were like that's a Conan sketch, i believe. Even on, like the fly on the wall Podcast with Carvey and spade, schmeigel went on and said that the, the girl watcher that love it's in Hanks did. That was a mostly a Conan Like written sketch which I a lot of people gave to Schmeigel, including myself, that Schmeigel only helped out with. But I think Conan because who he became, we know him, i think of him writing wise, more for what he did on the Simpsons than what he did on SNL. So for me, conan not on the list.

0:54:12 - Speaker 2

Jamie, do you have anything to say about Conan?

0:54:13 - Speaker 5

Yeah, he did not make my list, unfortunately either. I feel like I Was like being pulled a little bit by the fact that he's like a great entertainer and human. But then I like got checked and was like, if I didn't think of him from other things, would he still make my list? and when I applied that check he didn't.

0:54:30 - Speaker 2

So I think that's fair. Well, we've just caused Victoria to mobilize the beehive and team Coco, so so right, i think we're all in for it.

0:54:40 - Speaker 3

I hope you're all sweating.

0:54:42 - Speaker 2

Yeah, Jeremy, I want to.

0:54:44 - Speaker 6

I want to know what's who's next on your list for me, i got to go with a guy who I probably would not put him on my top 10 Greatest cast members anymore but he's definitely on top 10 most important, and that's John Belushi. To me, one of the people to establish What SNL was, not just because he was there and on the show, but just that kind of rebellious, kind of anti-establishment counterculture feel that SNL had for so long and now it is part of. It is the establishment now But to kind of give it where like SNL had that cool feeling. I think John Belushi was the first one to really get that. I mean the sketches from the Blues Brothers to, you know, with the samurai, just so many things on there, are just iconic and For someone like him who at one point was on the number one, you know, late night show had a number one album with the Blues Brothers and the number one movie with Animal House, all at one point Kind of really you can say Chevy Chase But I feel like the the blueprint for that SNL star to get into movies and everything.

I look at John Belushi As he's that first one to kind of be like, oh, from SNL Stardom to movie stardom. That was him and he kind of paved the way, for you saw what Bill Murray did and Eddie Murphy and Sandler and all these other guys. So John Belushi I I guess that I would got to put him as Top 10 most important cast members. He's a no-brainer.

0:56:19 - Speaker 2

Yeah, jamie, is he a no-brainer for you?

0:56:22 - Speaker 5

Yeah, he was, and this is where, like, i feel like I sometimes have to separate, like personal preference and historical impact. and I think, like personal preference aside and I mean no, no disrespect, amazing comedian, but Just, yeah, legacy on the show, i think a lot of folks would really have him in the conversation for Top 10, some might even say top five, just impactful Cast numbers. So, yeah, he definitely made my list.

0:56:49 - Speaker 2

Yeah.

0:56:49 - Speaker 4

Darren Yeah, absolutely, he made my list too. I mean he was he was the first cast member in the first cold open of the show ever. Yeah, and like a lot of things that Darren, me and Jamie already hit the two like his impact on the show, the energy brought, he brought that Sort of rebellious wild card, you know factor to the show. That that really, you know that really Resonated with the young audience at the time, while the college kids and whatever like he, you know, he just like was embodied, that just like the crazy You know party guy and and you know, just doing cartwheels.

I mean just his yeah, his impact and his energy was just so Momentous and it affected future cast members too, like like Chris Farley is, you know, said on record numerous times like yeah, i modeled my whole life after John Belushi.

0:57:41 - Speaker 3

The trace of him is is throughout comedy for Forever and I mean in Rolling Stone, and I have the magazine He's the cover, and Rolling Stone, in February 2015, did a ranking of, i think, all 141 SNL cast members. At that time, of course, that was eight years ago, and he was number one and I think it just speaks to him and it speaks to his comedy and you know, he's, he's, he's a legend, he's one of the goats, as as the kids say these days, and he's I'll say he's like the Michael Jordan of SNL cast members.

0:58:22 - Speaker 2

Yeah, and I think he, I think he's gonna find himself in the SNL Hall of Fame. He's another one of those. When we set up the season and looked at the ballot that it's pretty sure was gonna make it. So this is almost just confirmation of that. I'm gonna go over to Jamie And find out who's next on your list.

0:58:39 - Speaker 5

Yeah so Let's maybe talk about dick. Ever saw I Was. I don't want to steal your thunder, dare me, just listen to your podcast on this one as well and I Yeah, i think just when we're talking about like impact on the show and thinking about multiple Touch points where he had a pivotal role, that was what really pushed this over the edge for me. So I think, thinking about that initial role in helping to create the show and the role he played with Lauren, but then also thinking about his role and arguably the biggest save of the show And I think a lot of times we'll throw around the phrase like oh, snl wouldn't be here, wouldn't be what it is without XYZ person, but I think in this case, like it's actually pretty true. So that, to me, pushed me over the edge on this one. It's a little bit of a non-traditional, like getting outside the cast host world, but I did end up including him in my ballot.

0:59:41 - Speaker 2

Yeah, dick ever saw. Super interesting to me. I'm gonna clear the the seas for you. Now dare me Tell us what you want to about dick ever saw.

0:59:51 - Speaker 6

Jamie, you are amazing. This is so cool. I thought I'd be up here by myself and this you've made my week. Thank you, jamie.

Dick ever saw the man who helped to co-create Saturday Night Live. He picked Lauren Michaels We all can agree the most important person in SNL history to run the show. It's a big part in forming it. Then when Lauren leaves and Jean Dominion almost threw it down the toilet and they fire her, they bring in ever saw and By box office numbers and I think it's hard to really argue it the biggest star to come from the show is Eddie Murphy. And who's the one now? Eddie was hired Reluctantly by Jean Domenion who put him in that star seat. That saved the show. That was dick ever saw and I mean those two things right there I got to give love for. But then you can also look at that Steinbrenner year Where you have Billy Crystal and Chris guests and you know Martin short and those iconic sketches that came from one year. That's also dick ever saw. So right on, jamie, dick ever saw slam dunk for me.

1:00:58 - Speaker 2

Yes, jeremy, thank you so much and you're a great guest on that show and Dick ever saw just a fascinating candidate to me, victoria. I'm curious to know your thoughts. How much did you give dick ever saw much consideration?

1:01:12 - Speaker 3

Yeah, jamie and Jeremy Said it that I mean it is what it is SNL like. As Jamie said, it would literally not be here If it wasn't for him. So, giving, giving him his, his flowers.

1:01:29 - Speaker 2

Yes, dick ever saw. all right, darren, are we gonna make me and Jeremy and All the dick ever saw fans happy out there?

1:01:37 - Speaker 4

Uh, yeah, yeah, let's do it. Just because I think I know a lot of, for some reason like a lot of purists, i guess. Only consider the Lorne Michael years of SNL, like the true SNL, just, and also, like I mean, with the exception of you know, like it's at the Eddie Murphy episode, no one really talks about the ever saw all years that much, but like I've I Gotta go back and watch them again. But like I do remember there being like a lot of Like solid shows and a lot of solid performers and sketches Happening in those years and they don't really kind of get talked about that much. It's like one of those things where, like people are surprised when you, when they hit I like Julie Louis Dreyfus was on SNL It's like, oh really, i don't.

1:02:20 - Speaker 2

Darren, i want to stay with you. Let us know who's next on your list, next on my list.

1:02:29 - Speaker 4

All right. Well, i mean I forgot if. Okay, all right, we all right, We got it All right. Bill Murray, we got to have Bill Murray in the SNL Hall of Fame. It's not even it's. What are we doing here? I Mean the guy came in replaced Chevy Chase after Chevy left after season one and Pretty much did a better job Chevy Chase's job than Chevy did. I mean he came out with like Nick the loud singer and did the nerds with Gilda and he just Kind of brought in this really kind of loosey-goosey, laid-back energy to the show that really people really like, really loved and fived with. You know people find him endearing and like that really enjoy working Joy working with him on the show, like I would say I mean, and also he's just gone on to be Be this really great actor and have this really great career.

1:03:22 - Speaker 2

Jeremy, how do you feel about Bill Murray?

1:03:25 - Speaker 6

another slam dunk. Saturday night live was a hit show. Chevy was the first breakout star and him coming on During the second season and even that sketch that kind of made him get established. Which is I'm not doing well on the show. I need your help and just even watching that clip all the time was some people call me Billy around here. I get called the new guy, like. It's just just a great way to kind of like, which I think you would see now is like not that, but back in you know, 76, 77. That was a different way of kind of like breaking the zeitgeist and saying like you know, i know you guys aren't really looking at me as the you know the audience. You're thinking of Chevy, but I'm here too. So, kind of like what Darren said, he's just synonymous. He wasn't on the first season. Well, a lot of times people associate him with the first year because he just made such an impact the next four. So bill Murray is an easy one.

1:04:19 - Speaker 2

Yeah, he's a de facto Original, not ready for playing primetime player. Honestly, in most people's eyes, jamie is Bill Murray on your ballot, yeah absolutely.

1:04:28 - Speaker 5

I was curious to see how long we would get into this before his name came up, so I'm glad it finally has. I think Everyone's gonna have covered it really well. But just I have mad respect for anyone who's put in that kind of like Tough position and keeping in mind how early in the show's era it was. In this day and age We're used to cast coming in and out. But for him to kind of be in that role in the second season of having to replace Somebody, so great and just how he stepped up and is now in conversations of again all time among the all-time great. So respect to him on that.

1:05:00 - Speaker 2

Yeah, victoria, we got a Chicago boy here. Does he get your, your vote?

1:05:05 - Speaker 3

Yeah, he, yes, he is the blueprint for all of us and I, you know, i'm not gonna add anything new to it, except he is why, partially why I am here today, and also my brother would kill me if I did not have him on my ballot as a as a Born-and-raised Chicago boy himself.

1:05:29 - Speaker 2

Bill Murray clean sweep on everybody's ballots here. Victoria, i want to stay with you. Who's next on your list?

1:05:38 - Speaker 3

man. Okay, if you're is there, is everyone ready?

1:05:43 - Speaker 2

Let's do it.

1:05:43 - Speaker 3

Jane Curtin, i saw a face. For those of you who can't see, i saw a face, jane Curtin, for me is, you know, one of the first. This is, i would say more so, personal preference versus Historical importer. You know. First woman to do week and update and really, again, open the door for the Amy Polars to be Amy Polar, for the you know, the Tina face to be Tina Fey and her and of course, gilda. But yeah, i think she's iconic from those early earlier days.

1:06:19 - Speaker 2

So who made the face when, when Victoria said Jane Curtin?

1:06:23 - Speaker 3

Mr Darren was that that was Darren right.

1:06:24 - Speaker 2

In Jane Curtin, the spirit of Jane Curtin, were about to do point counterpoints. So go ahead, darren.

1:06:31 - Speaker 4

I'm not gonna say the one I was thinking about, i'm not. I'm not. I Know. I mean I made. I made the face just because, like Jane Curtin was very close to being on my list But didn't put her on my list just because would all the other cast members I have. Like it was it's a stacked deck But, like I will admit, like all the points Victoria you made are are totally valid.

I love Jane Curtin. I think she's one of those underrated cast members, definitely like just because, i mean just because, like when she was on the cast, she's not like, she's like one of those like utility players. It's just very good and very solid, very professional and good at what they do. But they're not like really in the spotlight, maybe that much like Like in a first season you can see, like you know Baloo, she was like the rock star and you know Gilda Radden was a little like the rock star, like everybody really loved them and Gravitated for them. A Jane was like sort of still doing her thing But she wasn't maybe getting the shine that I, she, you know, i think she should have. But like she's like really Really solid.

Of the weekend update anchor She was really good in those are Erwin main way sketch ish did with Dan. I'm right, you know we're like Dan ackward has like some more show where your role, where you like you know they want the back of the Left left the problem, but like she was able to like be more like this feel that more grounded type of person, so that you know Dan ackward could be like be more like free-flowing and more funny I guess thinking of her and playing kind of more of the like straight woman or utility or that kind of role.

1:08:08 - Speaker 5

It was hard for me to compare against some of the like bigger characters, bigger folks. But that isn't to say that her role in the show wasn't huge and I think she's absolutely worthy of the Hall of Fame, will absolutely have her in consideration, but I Was not able to include her in my final 15 and dare me, does Jane curtain get your vote?

1:08:34 - Speaker 6

Victoria, i got your back. Jane curtain does Make my final 15.

1:08:41 - Speaker 3

Time.

1:08:42 - Speaker 6

I got your back, i got your back. I also say this quick side note to our host, thomas. That was my favorite episode of season 3, the Jane curtain episode. I really enjoyed it.

Is me and Andrew. Yeah, you guys did a great job, that episode great job. So I love that episode and I believe we have to look at what she did with weekend update and how iconic and memorable that Exchange was with Dan ackroyd, her rolling cone heads, and for you know the stories of SNL, you know off the air and how chaotic it was in the party scene and you know all that. That's legendary. But for all the writers, everyone knew that the one cost of the person that they could depend on in the cast was Jane, and I am someone who believes that we give a lot of credit and rightfully so to the male utility players, the male glues Dan ackroyd, phil Hartman and I'm. I love them. But we don't give that love to the women who are the glue, and Jane curtain was the.

You know We kept talking about how Dan ackroyd kind of was that utility guy, the original cast. Well, you had to. You had Dan ackroyd and you had Jane curtain, and I'm also someone who believes, just because of the institution that this is, i think that all cast members of that first season should be Hall of Famers, just because That's the first cast. So Jane curtains also a part of that. I can understand why people do overlook her, but she's it's someone that I like as well. I love history to talk about. Those who are overlooked but shouldn't be should get their Their flowers.

1:10:20 - Speaker 2

So Jane curtain made my list all right, jane curtain on two out of four ballots Here on this show. Dermi, i want to stick with you. Who's next on your list?

1:10:31 - Speaker 6

well, going to the Female cast member who's a utility player, i'm gonna go with my root off. To me It's a shame, i don't know how she did. She's got a first ballot Hall of Famer. She's someone who I you know personally and just Objectively put in my top 10 SNL cast members of all time because of her versatility and what she could do in the different characters She played and the way she just kind of fit in any mold.

She, to me, is for like 21st century SNL performers is the the model for that glue utility person? And I think it's. I mean, look at the SNL 40, even right, so everyone's back all these stars. And one of the funniest bits was her and Martin short and her. You know her as Beyonce and the whole musical numbers. I mean to me, even at SNL 40 you had to use her and give her that props. Who else could nail that? and I mean that part of the sketch where you know She's singing as Beyonce and Martin short is the winds blowing and he's almost they getting blown off the screen. I mean that right there to me just is is huge. And also what she did. She's up there. We mentioned Amy Poehler and Tina Fey and Kristen Wiig, as far as you know, really elevating women on SNL and getting rid of that frat boy culture. But we leave out that fourth person a lot in Maya Rudolph, so Maya's on my top 15.

1:11:59 - Speaker 2

All right, maya Rudolph. So I saw double fist pumps coming from Victoria, so I'll go to you next to it. Good thing, yes, you love, maya Rudolph, i.

1:12:09 - Speaker 3

I adore Maya Rudolph. I mean, she is up there. I feel like I'm repeating myself With you know why I love certain folks, but that's what I look for. And in this Hall of Fame I mean Iconic, because she's a woman of color who, you know, very seldom on that show. I'm, you know, i'm glad to see that we're getting more, you know, especially black women on the show to Do something. But, like, for me, she was so versatile She's, so She's broken barriers, i mean, and you know she's also many repartents Wow, our daughters.

It's like, what am I gonna do? say no to her? No, i mean, and she's part of that iconic Legacy of women who, again, this is more recent and I don't want to discredit you know, the Jains and the gildas and whatnot, but like her, kristen Wiig, tina Fey, amy Poehler, really, you know, at least for me, like those, gilda and Jane open the door and Maya, among the others, ran through that door and they kicked other doors down that were further down the building. If that makes any sense. I'm trying to give visuals here. You know they, you know Gilda and Jane, of those in that generation. They, you know they open the door to the vestibule. But then Amy, maya, tina, kristen Broke down, you know, the door inside the buildings and we got to roam free, you know. And now there's glass ceilings being shattered by the women who follow them. I mean it, maya Rudolph is also my president, So There's that as well.

1:13:50 - Speaker 2

Yeah, I love when she pops up and in things too. She's my judge from the good place. Yes just from so many other things. Yeah, maya Rudolph. So, jamie, what do you think?

1:14:02 - Speaker 5

Yeah, i got to include her, i think just from a trailblazing standpoint, i think Just like being this amazing, larger-than-life comedic persona anytime she is on the screen. I think Can't understate her role in that era. Plus a thousand everything everyone said. She's terrific.

1:14:25 - Speaker 2

Um oh no.

1:14:30 - Speaker 4

I was so close to like it was one of those things where, oh God, it was one of the things like it was very close. I could probably I don't know Like all right, i okay.

1:14:44 - Speaker 3

All those things you said are correct.

1:14:46 - Speaker 4

I love Maya Rudolph. I think she's fantastic, I mean from the first time she came. I think I remember seeing her for the first time when she was doing her Christina Aguilera impression. She was like hitting those Christina Aguilera notes to show, like, oh, she can sing too, And like it's like you said, like she was on the show at the time where she was the only woman of color, You know, so they'd have to have her play Oprah and, you know, Michelle Obama, And like I, really like I was super close to putting her on but I didn't. I like I put somebody else on my list and I, but I still think maybe I It sounds tentative, it's still.

1:15:25 - Speaker 2

it's maybe up in the air, Okay.

1:15:28 - Speaker 4

Yeah, like I have somebody else on in the list, but like it could switch at any moment. Okay, If I. I don't know how you would You still got time.

1:15:36 - Speaker 3

If I start crying.

1:15:39 - Speaker 4

Yeah, you still have time to-.

1:15:41 - Speaker 2

Oh no, no, here maybe Maybe.

1:15:42 - Speaker 4

Well, I want to thank.

1:15:43 - Speaker 6

Darren, because for the longest time my lonely island omission was like the worst one, but I think you taught me my friend, so This is controversial.

1:15:53 - Speaker 2

Thank you.

1:15:53 - Speaker 6

Thank you for leaving Maya off, because now I don't look like the worst one on here by not having the lonely island. So thank you, darren. I appreciate you, brother.

1:16:03 - Speaker 4

You're welcome, Darren.

1:16:06 - Speaker 2

All right, i want to go to Jamie. So, jamie, who's next on your list?

1:16:10 - Speaker 5

Well, you know I got to talk about my girl, molly Shannon. So Molly Shannon has been nominated for a couple of rounds now. Her percentage has been growing. as I was looking back at the data I think she got up to 47-ish percent. So she's getting there. needs a little more to get over the hump.

So my spiel on Molly Shannon it kind of goes back to, i think, some of the things that we've talked about in the past in terms of just like impact on the era of the show And we talked about kind of the bad boys era and kind of knowing that the door was blown wide open with Tina and Amy and Maya and others.

I would argue that there was a step in the middle there in that late 90s era, with Molly and a few others coming in and really making the women of SNL water cooler discussion again and just thinking about the fearlessness with which she approached her character comedy, just that shift in tone of SNL that I think her and Will and a few others really led the charge behind. I really credit her and Will and a few others with playing a huge role in saving the show in that time and just really making the conversation a bit different, where people were saying like, wow, these women are just as funny, or maybe even more so, than some of the men, and really just evolving that conversation. So that's my spiel.

I'm very curious to see how the votes on this one live. was pleasantly surprised last time that there were quite a few others, but I also know votes are running low, so I'm a little bit nervous on this one.

1:17:51 - Speaker 2

Yeah, so, darren, you were a. maybe on Maya Rudolph, can we put you down for a Molly Shannon?

1:17:57 - Speaker 4

All right, look, i don't know why you want to mean that.

1:18:03 - Speaker 2

Because chaos that's why.

1:18:07 - Speaker 4

Why are you doing this, tom? What's it all for? Yeah, all right. So I'll admit, like Molly Shannon like you said Jamie, like she's definitely should be in a hall of fame, Like I mean, she does so amazing thing. And she was on the show like back when there were a ton of really physical like it seemed like physical comedy was like the big thing when she was on Cause. Like Sherry O'Terry was super physical, chris Gattan super physical, even Will Ferrell got really like physical. And Molly was like Jess is physical It's not more so than all of them Like when she played, you know, courtney Love or, of course, mary Katherine Gallagher, where she like flung herself onto a stack of metal chairs, like I remember watching that I was like, oh my God, she hurt, is she okay? But yeah, and like to see her now to sort of sort of speed us, sort of, i guess, elder statesmen of SNL and just really being beloved by everybody And she just kind of just radiates love and light. I really again.

1:19:07 - Speaker 2

Don't feel peer pressure. Don't feel peer pressure, i'll send you bullet points.

1:19:12 - Speaker 5

Yeah.

1:19:13 - Speaker 3

Oh.

1:19:13 - Speaker 4

God, nobody tweeted me, please.

1:19:16 - Speaker 3

I have a family.

1:19:18 - Speaker 4

Yeah, i would put it yeah, maybe. Cause like she was so close, cause like the person I did put at the cast member for my fifth twice. I'll admit it's a bit of a personal preference, but I think I can make a strong case that that person does both me deserve to be.

1:19:33 - Speaker 2

Molly.

1:19:33 - Speaker 5

Shannon.

1:19:34 - Speaker 4

But like, yeah, like Molly Shannon, like mm.

1:19:37 - Speaker 2

Just just like by any means, Victoria. what do you think of Molly Shannon?

1:19:41 - Speaker 3

I think her, anna Gastier and Sherry O'Terry are incredibly underrated And yeah, i mean, it's just kind of devastating what Darren just said. No, i'm kidding. I think Molly Shannon is incredibly underrated. We talked about her physical comedy and you think of Mary Catherine Gallagher, superstar, and what was it?

Sally O'Malley, and I think one of the things I thought about when going through this ballot is when you think of SNL and you think of standout characters, right, those two come to mind. They are on the list You know I think of too when you go to like buy I know this sounds silly, but like when you go to SNL merch, if you're like going on Etsy or even at the NBC shop at 30 Rock, they include her characters often. And so, because of her impact on the show and impact on SNL's legacy and the character work that came from her, she is, of course, on my list And I think she had a one of a kind personality that you don't see, that you don't really see often, and I think during her era of SNL and I think something as younger millennials don't really truly appreciate is her, and then the aforementioned Anna Gastier and Sherry O'Terry Iconic.

1:21:06 - Speaker 2

Yeah, so, derrame, can we interest you in a Molly Shannon?

1:21:10 - Speaker 6

Jamie, i'm sorry You had my back with Dick Eversall. I always appreciate you, you always be in my heart. But Molly Shannon did not make my list. She didn't. And I like what Victoria said because we always group the, you know, kristen, tina, amy and Maya together. We don't group Sherry and Anna Gastier and Molly together and that's a great point And I think maybe also that's kind of what hurts Molly for me where I look at like Sherry O'Terry of those three of like, for me personally she would be in my Hall of Fame And you know, superstar, that's a great character And she was a part of like sweaty balls, like that's a great moment too. But she's in that Hall of Very Good for me, but not like the Hall of Fame, like not enough of an impact to get over the hump, but like someone we should give more props to, but not in my Hall of.

1:22:07 - Speaker 2

Fame Darren. so you had alluded to the fact that you had maybe an out of the box sort of pick. You want to share that with us?

1:22:15 - Speaker 4

Yeah, like I'll admit this pick for the cast member is. I always felt like this cast member didn't get their due And you know that's Jan Hooks Like.

I feel like she's somebody who like their time on this. You know they were on a show for a good while, but I don't think they get talked about as much as they should. Like I think Jan Hooks was an incredibly strong performer As somebody. Something else I know it's like she's always does really good work when she was with Phil Hartman And like I think Phil Hartman is a cast member where everybody agrees is probably one of the best to ever do it on SNL And I would say that Jan Hooks is like on his level. Like every time they were in a sketch together she wasn't like falling behind, she was keeping up with him, like even more so than most of the other cast members.

Like I would argue that Jan Hooks was probably as good as Phil Hartman but doesn't get discussed enough. I mean, like she was a person who was like super versatile. You know she had a few, you know, breakout characters, like you know the Sweeney sisters and whatnot, and like she just took a really strong performer who I don't know, i just don't think gets their due And that's why I chose her as, like the last person, although, like I will agree, you know, of course, maya Rudolph fantastic, molly Shannon fantastic, but I feel like Jan Hooks, i feel like should be in the conversation more.

1:23:42 - Speaker 2

Yeah, so Jamie Darren thinks he might be the only one possibly who has Jan Hooks on his ballot. Do you agree with him?

1:23:50 - Speaker 5

So she was my number six. She was on an early list. I feel like I need to include her And again, like there might be a few borderline people that move up and down the line after we finish this conversation. I think the I think if it was a list of like most underrated, absolutely I would put her on there And I absolutely will vote for her next time. She's great.

1:24:19 - Speaker 2

Darren me, what do you think of Jan Hooks?

1:24:21 - Speaker 6

Darren, i got your back man. Jan Hooks is on my list. I got you man Just for impact. You know what her and Nora Dunn did in that time in you know, the late 80s. I agree with Darren that that was kind of like the way Gilda and like Bill Murray, you know Jan and Phil Hartman had that chemistry. I know Phil Hartman helped Jan with like she allowed a stage fright and a lot of anxiety And so they kind of had a really that kind of definitely had a close bond. But I mean just the impressions, i mean from like the Sinead O'Connor to when I still crack up, i believe it was Dana Carvey who was doing Regis and she's doing Kathy Lee and just the way they're going back and forth and just going and she's just nailing it And it's, you know, taking me back to my childhood of watching, you know, being home sick and like grandma will have Regis and Kathy Lee on And I'm like geez, like I miss school.

So it was like but, like they just nailed it And she just. Diversity in the way she could nail these impressions was just incredible And I think that era gets props to me for saving the show And honestly, if I take out any bias, i think that could be she's part of what could be the greatest cast in SNL history. So I got to give the Jan hooks. So yeah, she's on my list.

1:25:45 - Speaker 2

Awesome Victoria. is she on your list?

1:25:48 - Speaker 3

Yeah, she was someone I struggled with. I don't think she doesn't deserve. I think she for sure deserves to be in the SNL Hall of Fame. I just only had so many picks. So I agree with everything said about her. She is, she's iconic and she did something that not many others could. So, and you know, in a time well, every time it's still, we're still working on it, but especially then where women weren't looked at as funny she was And she, you know, she pushed that barrier. But unfortunately, this time around she was not on my list, unfortunately, and if she's in there and she gets in, everyone votes for her. I'll be thrilled. It's just a matter of only have 15.

1:26:38 - Speaker 2

Yeah, i would like to point out that I mean historically, we all know that SNL can often be a bit of a boys club, especially in the early years. But we've given a lot of props to some really amazing women from SNL, Like we just talked about Jan Hooks, maya Rudolph, molly Shannon, amy Poehler, jane Curtin. So I just love that we're highlighting these wonderfully talented women across SNL eras. It's just really great. It just speaks to so much, so much amazing talent has been on this show And, regardless of what John Belushi says, women are in fact funny, they're very funny And we have proof. Not like we need proof, but we have just wonderful examples right here. So I wanna kick it over to Deramey Deramey, who's next on your list?

1:27:29 - Speaker 6

I'm gonna go to the host category And I'm going to someone who I think time has forgotten.

But for a long time for me, growing up, we've been mentioning Mount Rushmore's here. When you talked about Mount Rushmore as a host, you had to look at Steve Martin, look at Buck Henry, alec Baldwin and John Goodman And to me John Goodman is a no-brainer Hall of Famer as a host. Not only that, just thinking of the way we talked about Buck Henry earlier, as he was that go-to kind of like host, like we gotta fill the gap, like John Goodman did that throughout, like you know, from the 80s into the 90s The Clinton-Lewinsky scandal, how big that was and him playing Linda Tripp and just really just nailing it It's kind of like an iconic moment from that era in SNL history And I think just the versatility that he had And he was kind of like someone who was part of the SNL family. Like I said, alec Baldwin kind of kept it going for a little while after. But you know he's in the Five Timers Club And I think you have to give John Goodman his flowers, put him in the Hall of Fame.

1:28:38 - Speaker 2

Yeah, darren John Goodman hosted almost every year in the 90s. He was like a mainstay. I mean, do you think he deserves a spot on your ballot for the SNL Hall of Fame?

1:28:48 - Speaker 4

Yeah, absolutely, i have him on my list. He was one of those cast members that was just like nail it every time, just like weave in seamlessly with the cast every time, like I believe he actually auditioned for SNL back in the 80s and didn't get it. And it's a shame because we got ahead John Goodman as a cast member, because he showed him time and time again what he's hosed his show. He could totally be in the cast. I still remember There was one episode I watched for this other SNL podcast that was on where we watched them. There's one of the ones where he hosted in the 80s and he was on the anal retentive chef sketch with Phil Hartman. But he played like a discaison chef And of course he's like a big messy occasion chef and anal retentive chef. He's like hey, can we make this all neat? And like the chemistry between him and Phil was fantastic. He's always been one of those guys that just like when you see John Goodman, you know you're in for a good time. So, yeah, absolutely, all fame, john Goodman.

1:29:50 - Speaker 2

Yeah, what do you think, Victoria?

1:29:53 - Speaker 3

This is another one where I do think he should be in the Hall of Fame, just not on my ballot this time. I mean, he auditioned along with I think it was Jim Carrey or during that era Oh, who's that? producer Jean?

1:30:07 - Speaker 6

something Yes.

1:30:09 - Speaker 3

Yes, during that time, i think in Jim Carrey was rejected as well. It just goes to show that that, jean, come on What you doing.

1:30:19 - Speaker 4

What you doing, Jean.

1:30:20 - Speaker 3

No, he, john Goodman, is, without a doubt, awesome And he should be in the Hall of Fame. He's just not on my ballot this time.

1:30:27 - Speaker 2

Jamie, do you agree with Victoria or does John Goodman have your vote? Like he has a Darmie in there.

1:30:33 - Speaker 5

Yeah, he does have my vote. I think when I was looking at the hosting list this time around, he was the first one that I had to put on there, I think even above Christopher walking for me, just in terms of like iconic SNL hosts Dan the Testive Time, Dan, those character moments, the Linda trip, like all of these things that just you can picture immediately, like the Linda trip phone call moment, like just these things that come to mind. And I think when people think SNL and that era and iconic hosts like you have to talk about John Goodman.

1:31:07 - Speaker 2

Yeah, definitely. I mean just by sheer numbers alone, I think he's going to get top consideration amongst voters. So, Jamie, I want to stick with you. Tell us who's next on your list.

1:31:17 - Speaker 5

Let me see who we haven't talked about yet. I think we've gone through all the cast pieces. I do have one more on the writing side, so I did put James Downey on my list And, again, the writing category was just so stacked that I feel like in a lot of cases, you're comparing apples and oranges, and is the apple better from this era or the orange better from this era? Not, it's really tough, right, but I think for me, what pushed him over the edge was, again, i'm a sucker for like the longevity and the impact over multiple eras. So writing from, like, having his impact start in the 70s all the way into, like the 2010s, serving as head writer for so many seasons. So, again, just like the amount of impact. In that sense, i think, just hearing how other people talk about him, how cast members talk about him, in terms of like the impact on the show.

There's a documentary, apparently that was supposed to be coming out soon on Peacock. I don't know what's happened to it, but it's basically I forget what it's called. Downey wrote that. I think it's going to be called, but like, i just think there's so much that people maybe forget or that gets underappreciated there. So, props to writers, and he was the final writer selection that I did have.

1:32:41 - Speaker 2

All right, so Jamie has James Downey on her ballot. Darren, james Downey wrote so many political excuse. He was basically the godfather, like the man, when it came to political sketches. Is that enough to put him on your ballot?

1:32:57 - Speaker 4

Absolutely, he was on my ballot just because he's one of those writers who's just been around for so long and just pretty much was just like a cornerstone of all the sketches that came out during his era. Like his stuff was just like you know, top call on point and also just very funny. And yeah, he's supposed to. I mean, he's one of the few comedic writers I know who's supposed to have a documentary come out called Downey wrote that. Like I mean, you can't say that about too many other writers, but yeah, yeah, james Downey, absolutely dance down.

1:33:32 - Speaker 2

Victoria. What do you think about James Downey? Does he get your vote?

1:33:35 - Speaker 3

No, respectfully, he's in my and what dare me calls Hall of Very Good, but not a fame. But maybe one day, i don't know, i mean, it's hard, It's not to say he's not talented and not worthy. I mean, 27 seasons is a long time. You know they don't keep you around unless unless you're talented. I don't, i don't know. No one, no one tweet at me this time. All right, there are more of you than there are of me. Don't tweet at me.

1:34:07 - Speaker 2

The moral of the story is there's so many deserving people. These are tough cuts, so. but, victoria, yeah, you acknowledge James Downey's importance to the show. Dare me, i have a feeling by your reaction that you have.

1:34:21 - Speaker 6

I'm so many tweets at Victoria. Just all the tweets right now.

1:34:24 - Speaker 2

Please.

1:34:26 - Speaker 6

All the tweets. James Downey's a definite yes, some may argue. I, you know. I think it's a battle between him and Dick, dick Evershaw as second most important person in SNL history For me, not just SNL, you know, but all comedy.

I have to look at as the elites are when their stuff goes through generations and you know the generation when it came out laughs at it and then you know their children and grandchildren laugh. And to me, just looking at what he did with Norm on weekend update alone and the impact that had with Norm tragically passed away, how everyone went to YouTube and was playing all those jokes, the guts and daring that it took for the both of them to do what they did at that time. You know the OJ jokes alone, knowing that the person who runs the network is good friends with OJ and they're being warned about it And still they're going to go after it. And also you know doing what a lot of times.

You know and I know Victoria knows it better than I do but like it's hard in comedy, like you know, like the easier stuff that can like get the crowd to laugh but they would say, hey, we know this isn't going to make the crowd laugh but this is the better comedic joke and we're going to do this and it might offend, but we don't care and have that guts and they got fired for it. That alone, to me, makes Jim Downey a Hall of Famer. And just what everyone would say about him from the original cast to then those Sandler rock spade years where they were like they didn't know what to do, they would go to Jim Downey and they're like Downey gave us greatness, he made it happen. So Jim Downey is a lock for me as a Hall of Famer.

1:36:12 - Speaker 2

Yeah, And I hope this time around the writers get their due. We haven't really seen that much in the voting. The Lonely Island in a greigious example in my opinion. But yes, yeah, sorry, jeremy, but James Downey, another kind of example of a writer who I think should get his due. So it'll be interesting. So we're coming down the home stretch. The four of you either have one or two left on your ballot, so I want to go back to Victoria. Let us know who's next for you.

1:36:43 - Speaker 3

Let me see who is left. There are two left. I just don't want to get tweets for who I'm about to say Don't promise not to tweet at me, But for host I'm going to choose John Mulaney.

1:36:59 - Speaker 2

Okay, all right, no one gave me the bird.

1:37:01 - Speaker 3

That's okay Cool.

1:37:03 - Speaker 2

All right Yeah.

1:37:06 - Speaker 3

No, i think John Mulaney is, some would say, overrated, but I also am thinking about his impact on the show and then, from his hosting, the accolades that it got and a lot of viral moments. I mean, i'm talking in youth, in youth, not the, but a lot of viral moments and impact he's made on today's direct impact, i should say on today's comedy, and that's why I was struggling between this one and one of the aforementioned folks, but I think for today he's such a big staple in the comedy world that I had to give it to him.

1:37:50 - Speaker 2

He's almost seems like an old reliable for SNL and he became a five-timer very, very quickly And I think it was on merit a lot of it. So, jamie, what do you think, john Mulaney?

1:38:02 - Speaker 5

I think he deserves to be in the conversation for sure. For me, there were a few other hosts, most of whom we've already talked about, but that just had the edge in terms of iconic status at this point, so that was my only reason.

1:38:18 - Speaker 2

Jeremy, how do you feel about John Mulaney?

1:38:20 - Speaker 6

I think it's an interesting. I like the pick, victoria, i really do. I think as of right now, in 2023, as a host, i say no, and that could change as the years go on. If he was on here as a writer, i might say yeah, honestly. So that's where I like. I'm kind of I agree and disagree Because I think he's a Hall of Famer, but as of right now, as a writer, for what he did writing with Bill Haleo, defon sketches and weekend update, you know. so, not a Hall of Famer as a host as of 2023. That could change in a couple of years in my for me, but if he was on here as a writer, i might have put him on.

1:38:59 - Speaker 2

It's interesting to me about John Mulaney is he's. I almost consider him an active host, and I think we still have more to see from Mulaney, and I wonder if that's going to influence a lot of people's votes. So what do you think, darren?

1:39:13 - Speaker 4

Yeah, i don't have him on my list, but I love Mulaney. I liked his last special. Yeah, i mean his impact on the show can't be denied. I mean he finally got on the Lobster's diner sketch, like when he finally got the host, and now that's become like his thing And he, i mean that's like sort of become a big part of the show, big stable to show now. Yeah, like you know, i like him, i think, as a strong writer. I like everything he brings, but maybe not just yet as far as a Hall of Fame material.

1:39:46 - Speaker 2

So John Mulaney brought a respect amongst her panelists, but maybe not quite yet a Hall of Famer. So, darren, i want to stay with you. Who's next on your list?

1:39:56 - Speaker 4

I guess we'll go to my last pick for a host, candace Bergen. You know, first female host, if I'm not mistaken, first one to get into the Five Timers Club. You know, she's definitely broke a lot of broke a lot of ground as far as you know, being the first for female performers, because probably I guess her most well known sketch is the one with Gilda, where I think she accidentally calls Gilda by the wrong name and then the whole sketch kind of falls apart. You know, like I think, called her Fern but her character's name is Fern. But I would, yeah, i would say yeah, i would say Candace Bergen should be in there. Just, you know, because she kind of broke the glass ceiling as far as being like the first female host and you know all the other things she brought with her. So, yeah, candace Bergen.

1:40:49 - Speaker 2

All right, yes, we have a groundbreaking legacy host in Candace Bergen. Jamie, what do you think about Candace Bergen being a national hall of?

1:40:57 - Speaker 5

honor. Yeah, i think it's a great pick, like I love the angle in terms of just like groundbreaking element and like making sure we're like giving our due to those early years. I didn't have her, but good pick.

1:41:12 - Speaker 2

Victoria.

1:41:13 - Speaker 3

It hurts to say, but she wasn't on my list this time around, but incredibly deserving.

1:41:20 - Speaker 2

And Darmie does Candie Bergen get your vote She doesn't, but she definitely deserves recognition.

1:41:26 - Speaker 6

I've heard, like Lauren Michaels and other people, say that the episode that she hosted was, in their opinion, the first episode of Saturday Night Live that looked like what we all know as SNL. So I definitely think she deserves to get that recognition, but not in the hall of fame.

1:41:45 - Speaker 2

Now, like I said, definitely groundbreaking legacy host broke barriers. We'll see. We'll see if that's enough for the for the other SNL hall of fame voters. So the four of you each had 15 votes that you said you were going to use on your ballot. So right now you each have one left. So we're really down to the home stretch. Each of you have talked about 14 people on your ballot, so one left. I'm curious to see if it's the same one or if it's four different people that we're going to be talking about. So I'll start with Darmie. Why don't you kick us off? Who's next and last on your list?

1:42:19 - Speaker 6

Last on mine is Franken and Davis. I go with them as two of those two with the junior writers on season one They got hired by Lauren Not he hadn't met them yet and he hired those two, but those two as a comedy duo. I think about Franken and you look at from the Stuart Smiley to his limo for a Lamo sketch which really altered the history of SNL. You look at it that a lot of people thought that he should have been the next to take over for Lauren when Lauren was leaving after season five and did that sketch about, you know, fred Silverman who ran NBC and it's kind of that Jim Downey thing, like he kind of bit himself in the foot there, like you know, by coming at his boss. But you gotta give him credit, it was a good sketch and it was actually he was kind of right too.

You look at what Tom Davis did and he was big on creating Nick, the lounge singer, cone heads as well and so many other sketches. And then when Lauren comes back after those five year absence, who's he really tapping? He's looking at Jim Downey, franken and Davis as the guys he needs to help bring, you know, to help him bring SNL back for himself And I look at just the way that they went on for the next 10 years there. So you have like almost like a 20 year, 15 and 20 year stretch of Franken and Davis and they're known as a comedy team And even though Tom Davis passed away in 2012, i believe they're still kind of brought up when it talks about SNL. You can't say Al Franken without Tom Davis.

1:43:53 - Speaker 2

All right, jamie Al Franken and Tom Davis is on Deramey's ballot. Are they on yours?

1:44:01 - Speaker 5

The writing category was just too stacked for me this time. I support it. The Hall of Fame more than for sure, but the writing category was just super heavy.

1:44:11 - Speaker 2

Fair enough. SNL nerd DeHaren Patterson, do you have Franken and Davis?

1:44:18 - Speaker 4

Exactly what Jamie said. like the SNL writer category was stacked, i was very close to choosing Franken and Davis, but ultimately I didn't. I'm looking at my list now like maybe I should go back to them. But yeah, i mean, you know, deramey made some strong points. I agree with everything that Deramey said, but yeah, just not on my list.

1:44:36 - Speaker 2

Yeah, it could definitely go either way. What do you think, Victoria?

1:44:39 - Speaker 3

I'm going to keep it simple and say no, that's all.

1:44:43 - Speaker 2

Well, who do you have? We'll stick with you. Who do you?

1:44:45 - Speaker 3

have next. It's unconventional, but I think Worthy is Melissa McCarthy as host. She has been nominated every single time. I'm nominated every single time. she's hosted SNL And I think she's such an incredible actress and comedian that she fits right in and is someone I, whenever I watch, think wow, I wish she was part of the show permanently And we could use a Melissa McCarthy on the show always. I mean, she is an incredible addition to whatever she's a part of. I don't think I've ever watched something of hers and been disappointed. So I think her, I mean, and I think she's someone who maybe in like early 2010s, like 2013, 2014, even 2015, had some recognition, but I want to keep her name going. I think she's such an incredible and phenomenal performer.

1:45:41 - Speaker 2

Yeah, melissa McCarthy, definitely hilarious. Has she done enough Deramey on the show to receive your vote?

1:45:48 - Speaker 4

Again. Yeah, she was like one of the hosts I was really close to putting on my list but like, ultimately I didn't. But like I look at it now and maybe I should have, but yeah, but I agree with everything Victoria said. She's like a phenomenal host. She's somebody who definitely could have been a cast member. I could definitely see her just be in part. I don't know, i don't know if anybody knows, did she ever like audition or just I don't think she did. But like either way, like I mean, i mean I people saw her like when she hosted and that Sean Spicer sketch, like that thing went viral And like everybody was like, oh wow, she's really not going to park here. But yeah, like not. But respect for Melissa McCarthy, but did not make my list.

1:46:31 - Speaker 2

Melissa McCarthy. What do you think, janie?

1:46:33 - Speaker 5

Wonderful natural comedian just next level awesome. But I think it's maybe a little early for me right now to put her in, but not saying that I would never put her in.

1:46:46 - Speaker 2

So, jamie, who do you have as your next and last one that you'll be talking about?

1:46:52 - Speaker 5

Yeah, so my last one is also a host. This is also maybe an unconventional pick, but I was just looking back and this person actually got over 50% of the vote last time, so I'm hoping we can maybe push them over that last hurdle. So it's Justin Timberlake as host, and for me this one ties really closely into the argument that I was making around, kind of Lonely Island era, bringing musical comedy of a certain tone into SNL, things going viral and just the role that he played in that moment in SNL's history. For me he was my final addition to my ballot.

1:47:33 - Speaker 2

Very beloved host, Justin Timberlake, Victoria and Deremi I know neither of you have Justin Timberlake on your ballot. Do you want to reconsider now that you think about it?

1:47:44 - Speaker 3

You know what I did. It was between him and Melissa for me, and it's not to say that I mean as. No, i don't.

1:47:57 - Speaker 2

No. So that's a no for Victoria. No offense to Justin Deremi.

1:48:01 - Speaker 6

You know what? I don't know how often this happens. I will reconsider, because he was on the borderline for me anyway. And then hearing the arguments about Lonely Island, so, jamie, you hooked me. I'm going to remove painfully remove Franken and Davis, get them off. And Justin Timberlake is on the list.

1:48:25 - Speaker 2

Yeah, jamie, you got to feel good about that. You changed somebody's mind here, so Justin Timberlake has a couple of votes here on the panel, probably well deserving, i think. So, darren. You were the one who has one remaining, so now's your time to reveal.

1:48:41 - Speaker 4

Yeah, i started with a musical guest. I'll end this with a musical guest, elvis Costella. I'll put him in there just because he I mean, he's like I'm a big music nerd and like you know, he's a fantastic artist, but of course he was, you know, he mostly known for, you know, creating one of the most you know what's the word they're looking for Infamous, yes, oh, wow, he said the same thing, one of the most infamous moments in SNL history, where he wanted to sing the song Radio Radio, which is basically sort of like an anti-radio, anti-establishment song about how, you know, the radio only plays what they want you to hear And they don't. You know, they're trying to like sort of feed your mind with what the you know, the establishment wants you to hear and what they want to be at. Hit And SNL told them not to play that. Nbc said you don't play that.

He began playing this other song he had, i think, less than zero, and while he was like halfway through the song He just stops, tells the band to stop playing and then he just said they play radio radio And then they just go into radio radio song. They were specifically told not to play and then they just play it the whole thing and it's like one of those Punk rock things every on live TV and like I think I think the story goes like Lauren was like super upset with him, not because he played the song, because like he messed up the timing of the show, So that kind of threw the timing off on the entire show and he was banned from from the performing in SNL for a number of years and He came back after a few, after a few years, and they even referenced it on like I believe was SNL 40 where like the BC boys were about to do was like 25.

Yeah, 25 right where the BC boys were about to sing sabotage and Elvis Castello comes in, interrupts them And they all play radio, radio. So yeah, i mean Elvis Costello created one of the most infamous Viral before viral moments of SNL history. So yeah, he belonged to the Hall of Fame.

1:50:39 - Speaker 2

Excellent Elvis Costello, and I know Elvis Costello is not on anybody else's list, but does anybody have anything to add about Elvis Costello?

1:50:47 - Speaker 6

Yeah, i think Darren makes a great point that it is one of the most, especially for the original years, my most infamous moments and it's funny because, like you guys are saying, was on SNL 25. I remember watching SNL 25 and seeing him perform at the Beastie Boys And I had no clue at the time What that meant and why they did that, until years later, you know, diving deeper into the research, and It kind of like, oh, that's why they did that. So I I feel like that moment should be in the SNL Hall of Fame. I don't know if I'd put Elvis Costello, but that performance back in the 70s, that moment should be in the SNL Hall of Fame.

1:51:29 - Speaker 2

Yeah, maybe at some point we'll Hear at the SNL Hall of Fame. We'll talk about Nominating moments and kind of things like that. I think that would be really neat. Of course, the yeah, this Elvis Costello moment Would definitely be up for consideration. So, all right, everybody, we did it. We had a great time. Yes, give yourselves a pat on the back. We we threatened people with tweets. We sick beehives and beehives on on other folks. We Convinced other people to vote for Justin Timberlake on their ballot. So, yeah, so I really appreciate what a wonderful panel we had on this round table. So, before we go, i want to thank everybody. I want to go one by one. Start with Jeremy Dove. Jeremy, thank you so much for being here. Is there anything you want to promote?

1:52:20 - Speaker 6

Thomas, thank you for having me. This is my first round table and it was awesome and I can't wait to come back on which is so much fun. So I want to thank you first and thank everyone. This everyone was so cool. So I hear your voices on the show, so it's cool to see the faces, so that's really awesome. And, yeah, me and my friend, my co-host, jose, we do bigger than the game with Jeremy and Jose. That's our sports history, pop culture history podcast, where we like to connect the past to the present. You can listen to our show anywhere you listen to podcast. We have a YouTube channel bigger than the game with Jeremy and Jose, so you can follow us there And we're gonna keep turning out good episodes that people like. So Please listen and give us feedback, like, subscribe all those good things.

1:53:08 - Speaker 2

All right. Thank you, jeremy, and Victoria Franço, the wonderful guest who I poached from my buddy, john Schneider and the Saturday Night Network. Victoria, thank you so much for joining me. Is there anything you'd like to promote? Maybe your Twitter, perhaps?

1:53:28 - Speaker 3

No, first and foremost, thank you for having me again. It's been really fun, and thank you to everyone else on this panel. It's so great to meet you and, i hope to you know, join you in conversation in the future. But if you are in the Chicago area, you can find me performing at the second city Monday, may 22nd I think, 8 pm. So I'll be there, and if I'm ever in Detroit, you can find me at Go Comedy and Prove Theater as well. Other than that, you know, stay laughing.

1:53:59 - Speaker 2

And Victoria already promised me that she wouldn't forget us when she's on SNL, so So thank you.

1:54:05 - Speaker 3

I could never yes, thank you.

1:54:07 - Speaker 2

I can never All right. Darren Patterson, thank you so much for being here again. Where can the people find you?

1:54:15 - Speaker 4

Yeah, you know you can find me. You know, out here in these streets, these podcast streets, not the actual streets. I try not to leave my home.

But, yeah, i have a podcast called SNL nerds me and my buddy, john Trumbull. We're out here in New Jersey and we break down all the latest episodes of Saturday Night Live and talk about them and Go off on tangent and say bizarre, horrible things. But because now SNL is you know, it's off the air because of the writer strike, we'll probably Be talking about SNL related movies and TV shows and whatnot. We just we just recorded an episode where we talked about Celeste and Jesse forever and we're probably gonna do like a Season 48 wrap-up on this short and season very soon. So please listen to the podcast wherever you listen to your podcast, snl nerds. Follow us on Twitter at SNL nerds show. Follow me on Twitter and Instagram at Darren credible DI R. I am credible.

1:55:11 - Speaker 2

All right, darren, thanks, and you guys do a great job. And your podcast at the SNL nerds for you appreciate having you and Jamie Burwood. How can people find you?

1:55:20 - Speaker 5

Yeah, so you can find me at TV show graphs on Twitter or Instagram or TV show graphs comm. if you enjoy pop culture, data, combining those worlds together with television, i've got some graphs for you. So yeah, thanks again for Having me today. This is a blast.

1:55:38 - Speaker 2

Yeah, absolutely. Thank you so much. And some voting matters before we get out of here. You could register to vote at SNL HOF comm. That's SNL HOF comm. Go and register and exercise your right to vote for the SNL Hall of Fame. Voting will take place May 23rd until June 19th at 1159 Eastern time. So it's May 23rd until June 19th, and then we'll Reveal the this season's class of the SNL Hall of Fame. All right, so for Deramey Dove, victoria Franco, darren Patterson and Jamie Burwood, i'm Thomas Senna. See you next time on the SNL Hall of Fame podcast futuro.

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