Instead of our usual episode, we're excited to share a podcast we think you'll love: Say More with Tulaine Montgomery. In her podcast, Tulaine speaks with people who are deeply committed to making the world a better place, while also taking care of themselves and supporting their communities. In this episode, she puts DB|BD host Ellen McGirt on the other side of the mic! 

Ellen and Tulaine talked about many things that matter to Design Observer listeners, including: curiosity as a key to progress, the role big D design can play in creating a better world and how to stay hopeful in a moment that is anything but. Plus, Ellen shares some anecdotes about her career journey never before heard on the DB|BD airwaves!

If you enjoy this episode, be sure to subscribe to Say More and listen to more episodes!

Follow Tulaine on Instagram and check out New Profit

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Tulaine’s conversation with Angela Glover Blackwell

Trevor Noah in conversation with Dr. Ruha Benjamin

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