In episode 659, Rob Walling speaks with Courtland Allen and Channing Allen, the co-founders of Indie Hackers, to talk about their newfound independence since they are no longer owned by Stripe.
For the first half of the episode, they turn the tables and interview Rob about his new book, The SaaS Playbook.
They also share a bunch of theories about entrepreneurship and investing.
Topics we cover:
4:46 - About Rob’s new book - The SaaS Playbook
6:47 - Why did Rob hire a writing coach?
12:35 - Rob’s decision to launch a Kickstarter for his book
20:39- Rob’s thought process for what to include in his book
28:31 - Startup positioning
31:07 - Founder mindset
35:51 - Is it possible to find a business idea that both makes money and aligns with the things you enjoy doing?
42:38 - What motivates Rob these days?
48:18 - Courtland and Channing’s approach to going indie again with Indie Hackers
53:46 - Did Courtland and Channing have hesitations about going independent again?
57:44 - What does Rob want to see Courtland and Channing do next?
1:01:07 - Indie hackers investing in other indie hackers
Links from the Show:
Courtland Allen (@csallen) I Twitter
Channing Allen (@channingallen) I Twitter
Indie Hackers
The Personal MBA: Master the Art of Business
The War of Art
Lifting the Veil: The Data Behind Successful Product Launches - Ryan Delk - MicroConf 2014
MicroConf Upcoming Events
MicroConf Mastermind Matching
MicroConf Youtube Channel
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Transcript:
Rob Walling:
Welcome back to Startups For the Rest of Us. I'm Rob Walling. Today I sit down with Courtland and Channing Allen, the co-founders of Indie Hackers, to talk about their newfound independence. They are no longer owned by Stripe. They also turned the tables on me in this interview, and we spend probably the first 30 minutes talking about my new book as well as sharing theories about entrepreneurship and just all the tasty goodness that comes when I sit down with really smart people who are thinking about entrepreneurship on a day-to-day basis. This episode will go live in both of our podcast feeds. If you haven't checked out the Indie Hackers podcast, you definitely should. It's a great companion podcast to Startups For the Rest of Us. But if this episode feels like kind of a cross between an episode of Startups for the Rest of Us and an episode of Indie Hackers, that's because it is. Because essentially we have all the hosts and we were interviewing one another on the important topics of the day.
So we let this intentionally run long. There was just a lot to talk about. To be honest, we hit stop on the recording and talked for another 20 minutes about things that we probably should have recorded. We started talking about AI and about angel investing and a few other things, but that just goes to show you the content was flowing and it was one of those magical moments that you do want to capture. So I know I keep episodes between 30 and 40 minutes typically, and this one's a little longer, but I hope you enjoy it and agree that it was worth doing. Before we dive into the episode, MicroConf Mastermind Matching opens on April 3rd. That's just the day after this episode goes live. And realize you can head over now to microconf.com/masterminds and get on the wait list to be notified.
Every time we do Mastermind Matching, we have people contact us after the deadline closes begging to be included and unfortunately we can't. There's a reason there's a deadline. Because we start matches. So we only do matching two or three times a year. We have matched more than a thousand founders across dozens of countries, dozens of time zones with a combined ARR somewhere approaching $200