In Part II of this ongoing conversation, Josh continues his dialogue with Robert Caldwell and Keith Reynolds, deepening the exploration of surrender, obedience, and belonging.

Set in the season of Advent, this episode reflects on waiting, disorientation, and unfinishedness as sacred spaces where faith is formed. Drawing on Scripture and lived experience, the conversation challenges self-sufficient models of Christianity and imagines a more honest, dependent way of following God—one shaped by suffering, humility, and spiritual friendship.

Together, the hosts wrestle with the future of the church, the limits of institutional models, and the hope that emerges when control is relinquished and life is received as gift rather than project.

At its heart, this episode affirms that asking the question is itself an act of hope, and that new light often comes not through certainty, but through surrender.

0:00 - Surrendering to God; learning through suffering

01:19 - Introducing Robert Caldwell & Keith Reynolds; focus on faithfulness

03:31 - The “finished man,” self-sufficiency, and Advent’s invitation to need

04:51 - Deconstruction, holding space for pain and hope

06:29 - Community, vulnerability, and hope in belonging

07:46 - Church planting: critique of megachurches, seeking authenticity

14:22 - Launching a new church; forming a core team

18:03 - Mentorship, transparency, and organic process

22:48 - Living in the community; challenging church norms

24:30 - New wine in new wineskins; generational shifts

27:21 - Outward-facing church; serving the marginalized

29:20 - Social location, calling, and never forgetting one’s roots

36:40 - Returning to serve in one’s own neighborhood

41:52 - Living out faith; surrender and next steps

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