This week's episode features two segments. The first conversation is a conversation focused on the rise of the global surveillance industry with Marietje Schaake, the international policy director at Stanford University’s Cyber Policy Center. We consider what the revelations of the Pegasus Project about the Israeli firm NSO group means for democracies.

The second segment considers Chinese tech in the world, looking at how the Chinese Communist Party uses technology to facilitate political authoritarianism at home while exporting its interests abroad, the role of private sector firms in the Chinese public sphere, and what it means for the global debate over the Internet and digital technologies. The panel took place at the end of June at The Atlantic Council’s Digital Forensic Research Lab (DFRLab) hosted its 360/Open Summit: The World in Motion. The panel is moderated by Isaac Stone Fish, Chief Executive Officer of Strategy Risks, and also features Josh Chin, Deputy China Bureau Chief for The Wall Street Journal; Lotus Ruan, a Research Fellow at The Citizen Lab in the Munk School of Global Affairs at the University of Toronto; Puma Shen, Chairman of DoubleThink Lab; and Alexandria Williams a Nairobi-based Tech Journalist.