The second short excerpt of the full conversation, Tā Tipene O'Regan has long been on my dream list of people to interview. He is a kaumātua, Ngāi Tahu leader and Member of the Order of New Zealand. I was very humbled to sit with him and hear some of his life story and wisdom about many topics. Instead of asking about events, I asked about who has influenced him in a 2 hour long conversation. This has some excerpts from that conversation where he was sharing about Wairua. I am grateful to Anake Goodall for helping connect us so this conversation could happen. Seeds is a project to record life stories, because they matter. You can find out about it and more than 360 other conversations at www.theseeds.nz Coming in October is the Seeds Impact Conference www.seedsconference.nz

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