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I’m back with another “Take It or Leave It” panel! This one is a little different. On October 2nd, in my role as associate director of the UVA Center for Teaching Excellence, I hosted a virtual panel titled “Take It or Leave It: AI’s Role in Online Learning” featuring three fantastic UVA colleagues. The conversation went very well, and the panelists and the CTE gave me permission to share the audio from the panel here on the Intentional Teaching podcast.
The panelists for this edition of Take It or Leave It are all at the University of Virginia. Michelle Beavers is associate professor and coordinator of the Administration and Supervision Program in UVA’s School of Education and Human Development. Leo Lo is dean of libraries and university librarian, advisor to the provost on AI literacy, and professor of education. Sara McClellan is assistant professor of professional studies and program coordinator of the Public Administration Certificate Program at UVA’s School of Continuing and Professional Studies.
You’ll hear me briefly describe five recent op-eds on teaching and learning in higher ed. For each op-ed, I’ll ask each of our panelists if they “take it,” that is, generally agree with the main thesis of the essay, or “leave it.” This is an artificial binary that I’ve found to generate rich discussion of the issues at hand.
Episode Resources
· Michelle Beavers’ faculty page
· Leo Lo’s LinkedIn page
· Sara McClellan’s website
· Essay 1: “Are You Ready for the AI University?”, Scott Latham, April 4, 2025
· Essay 2: “AI Risks Undermining the Heart of Higher Education,” Zahid Naz, April 21, 2025
· Essay 3: “Urgent Need for AI Literacy,” Ray Schroeder, April 30, 2025
· Essay 4: “Sometimes We Resist AI for Good Reasons,” Kevin Gannon, September 24, 2025
· Essay 5: “On AI, We Reap What We Sow,” Chad Hanson, September 10, 2025
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See my website for my "Agile Learning" blog and information about having me speak at your campus or conference.
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Questions or comments about this episode? Send us a text message.
I’m back with another “Take It or Leave It” panel! This one is a little different. On October 2nd, in my role as associate director of the UVA Center for Teaching Excellence, I hosted a virtual panel titled “Take It or Leave It: AI’s Role in Online Learning” featuring three fantastic UVA colleagues. The conversation went very well, and the panelists and the CTE gave me permission to share the audio from the panel here on the Intentional Teaching podcast.
The panelists for this edition of Take It or Leave It are all at the University of Virginia. Michelle Beavers is associate professor and coordinator of the Administration and Supervision Program in UVA’s School of Education and Human Development. Leo Lo is dean of libraries and university librarian, advisor to the provost on AI literacy, and professor of education. Sara McClellan is assistant professor of professional studies and program coordinator of the Public Administration Certificate Program at UVA’s School of Continuing and Professional Studies.
You’ll hear me briefly describe five recent op-eds on teaching and learning in higher ed. For each op-ed, I’ll ask each of our panelists if they “take it,” that is, generally agree with the main thesis of the essay, or “leave it.” This is an artificial binary that I’ve found to generate rich discussion of the issues at hand.
Episode Resources
· Michelle Beavers’ faculty page
· Leo Lo’s LinkedIn page
· Sara McClellan’s website
· Essay 1: “Are You Ready for the AI University?”, Scott Latham, April 4, 2025
· Essay 2: “AI Risks Undermining the Heart of Higher Education,” Zahid Naz, April 21, 2025
· Essay 3: “Urgent Need for AI Literacy,” Ray Schroeder, April 30, 2025
· Essay 4: “Sometimes We Resist AI for Good Reasons,” Kevin Gannon, September 24, 2025
· Essay 5: “On AI, We Reap What We Sow,” Chad Hanson, September 10, 2025
Support the show
Podcast Links:
Intentional Teaching is sponsored by UPCEA, the online and professional education association.
Subscribe to the Intentional Teaching newsletter: https://derekbruff.ck.page/subscribe
Subscribe to Intentional Teaching bonus episodes:
https://www.buzzsprout.com/2069949/supporters/new
Support Intentional Teaching on Patreon: https://www.patreon.com/intentionalteaching
Find me on LinkedIn and Bluesky.
See my website for my "Agile Learning" blog and information about having me speak at your campus or conference.

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