In this very special episode of Black Diplomats, host Terrell J. Starr takes a break from the news cycle to talk about going abroad as a Black person from America. He’s been in the Carpathian mountains in Ukraine for a few weeks, away from the hustle and noise of New York, enjoying the countryside.

With the separation comes a kind of clarity. Terrell talks about the pressures of being Black, and the benefits of relieving those pressures when the opportunity arises. And he asks a simple question: what could life be like in a world without racism, where people could simply exist as people?

“I support the protests,” he says, “but what would it be like if I didn’t have to protest? What if I could just be?”

Thank you for listening!