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Taking Flight: Exploring the Intersection of Design, Aviation, and Engineering Psychology with John Flach | Ep 56


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Are you tuned in to the spellbinding world of design and aviation? Well, let's buckle up for an exhilarating journey as we navigate through the skies of human factors and engineering psychology with our esteemed guest, John Flach. Starting with the origins of engineering psychology, we'll take you through the intriguing story of John Denver, whose tragic end was prompted by design constraints in his experimental aircraft. We also turn the spotlight on human-centered and use-centered design and the integral role of situational awareness.

In the later part of our conversation, we shift gears to discuss control systems, cybernetics, and their massive impact on the scientific community. Our guest John will guide us through James Gibson's path-breaking work on affordances, which revolves around the concept of viewing the world in terms of action systems. Hold your breath as we unravel the intricate relationship between optic flow and control flight, and how environmental factors can potentially influence a pilot's perception of speed, leading to catastrophic consequences.

As we reach the runway, we will reflect on the role of technology in problem-solving, drawing inspiration from the Wright brothers and their innovative approach to aircraft design. Get ready to be fascinated as we explore the world of neuroscience and John Boyd's doodle loop. We close our discussion by pondering on Boyd's work, the power of synergy, and the paramount importance of channeling action towards a shared objective. So, fasten your seatbelts and get set for a riveting and enlightening conversation!

John R. Boyd's Conceptual Spiral was originally titled No Way Out. In his own words: 

“There is no way out unless we can eliminate the features just cited. Since we don’t know how to do this, we must continue the whirl of reorientation…”

March 25, 2025

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