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Skidmore, Missouri. December 16, 2004. When 23-year-old, 8-months-pregnant Bobbie Jo Stinnett spoke to Darlene Fischer on the internet forum "Ratter Chatter", nothing struck her as particularly odd about the woman. Ratter Chatter was a forum for breeders of rat terrier dogs; Bobbie Jo and her husband Zeb showed the dogs and bred them out of their northwest Missouri home. Darlene said she was interested in adopting one her new puppies.

Bobbie Jo was happy to accommodate Darlene, and they arranged to meet at Bobbie Jo's home in Skidmore. When it got to 2:30pm on Dec. 16, the doorbell rang, as Bobbie Jo expected. But when she answered the door, it wasn't Darlene Fischer at all, but rather, another woman who Bobbie Jo knew from the Ratter Chatter forum, Lisa Montgomery. Bobbie Jo would quickly find out that the woman wasn't interested in a dog at all. She wanted something that Bobbie Jo would not give her, but this did not stop her going to extreme lengths to take it.

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Sources for this episode:

Lisa Montgomery: Looking for answers in the life of a killer

Murder in the Heartland – M. William Phelps

Fetus Survives Killing of Mother

Husband thought stolen baby was his

FBI catches killer who hacked baby from mother's womb

Suspect's friends wonder if they should've seen signs

Suspect Wanted A Baby Desperately, Acquaintances Say

Defendant Accused of Faking Pregnancies

Lisa Montgomery gets death penalty for killing pregnant woman

Father of Kidnapped Baby Girl Voices Thanks for Safe Return

Hundreds turn out to mourn slain pregnant woman

U.S. to carry out first federal execution of a woman in seven decades

Lisa Montgomery, 1st woman to face federal execution in decades: lawyers have Covid, seek delay

Judge delays execution of only woman on U.S. death row

The Case of Lisa Montgomery

Death row: the lawyer who keeps losing

‘A lifetime of torture’: the story of the woman Trump is rushing to execute

A federal judge has granted a stay of execution for the only woman on federal death row pending a competence hearing

Federal government executes the first woman in nearly 70 years

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Denver, Colorado. April 1, 2011.

"The question for law enforcement is not, 'Is he capable of murder?' but, 'How many people he might have killed. For sure, he's a sociopath, a psychopath and an anti-social personality." - Clint Van Zandt, 25-year veteran Special Agent with the FBI and Behavioral Analyst.

19-year-old Kenia Monge was stuck. She had been out clubbing with her friends and somehow ended up outside with no purse, keys, or phone. She had been drinking heavily, but now the alcohol was wearing off and she just wanted to get home. So when a man pulled up in his van and offered her a ride, she gratefully accepted.

But when Kenia wasn't home the next morning, and her family couldn't get in touch with her, they instantly knew something was wrong. Then, a message came through on Kenia's phone from none other than Mr Nice Guy. But as you probably guessed, he wasn't such a nice guy after all.

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Sources for this episode:

Who Was Kenia Monge? | Criminal Confessions Highlights | Oxygen

Surveillance Footage of Travis Forbes

Kenia Monge Disappears From Denver Nightclub, Cops Call Scenario 'Nightmare'

Woman Survives Attack by Killer Who Stored Body in Freezer

Travis Forbes: Kenia Monge's parents want answers from man charged in Lydia Tillman case

Travis Forbes pleads guilty to Kenia Monge murder, will spend rest of life behind bars (24)

Man pleads guilty to murder of missing Denver teen

Travis Forbes Confesses To Strangling Kenia Monge, Hiding Body In Freezer | Crime News

Suspect in murder of Kenia Monge offered interview in exchange for money

Police Investigation Reveals Details In Missing Woman Case

Kerry Humphrey pleads guilty to lying for Travis Forbes, Kenia Monge's murderer

Colorado killer Travis Forbes played cat-and-mouse game with police for months

Woman arrested in connection to Kenia Monge murder case

A criminal timeline of Travis Forbes, admitted killer of 19-year-old Kenia Monge

Travis Forbes, self-described suspect in Kenia Monge case, busted in Texas for car theft

Forbes Pleads Guilty In Fort Collins, Says 'I'm Evil'

Woman Sentenced To Jail In Missing Teen Case

Where Is Lydia Tillman Today

Griego: Daughter, Kenia Monge, was too young to need a final resting place

Family Of Murdered Aurora Teen Lays Her To Rest

Clinton R. Van Zandt Bio

Profiler: Confessed murderer may have killed others

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London, England. September 20, 2017. Ouissem Medouni and Sabrina Kouider were not particularly well-liked by their neighbours on Wimbledon Park Road. They were inconsiderate, often leaving trash outside of their home for days and blocking their neighbours' driveways with their expensive cars. But while their antics could be irritating, they weren't that big of a deal. The couple tended to keep to themselves. One day in mid-September 2017, however, they were up to something that their neighbors just couldn't ignore. They had built a bonfire that was raging out of control, and it smelled terrible. Firefighters soon arrived at the scene, but no one could have prepared them for the horrifying discovery they would make.

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Folie à deux and delusional disorder by proxy in a family

Sophie Lionnet: The 'toxic' couple who murdered their au pair

Sophie Lionnet murder: Kouider was cruel, beguiling fantasist who drew men into deadly spiral

First pictures of garden where murdered nanny's body was burned on bonfire

Accused ‘shrugged off’ discovery of French nanny’s remains on bonfire

Boyzone founder: I ‘never ever’ knew murdered French nanny

Sabrina Kouider trial: Boyzone founder Mark Walton tells of 'turbulent' relationship with woman accused of nanny murder | London Evening Standard

A London couple’s shared delusions led to the torture and death of French au pair

Sophie Lionnet death: Nanny 'could have drowned in bath'

Sophie Lionnet: Couple 'murdered French nanny then burned body'

Sophie Lionnet: Couple jailed for French au pair murder

Sophie Lionnet: Au pair killer writes apology letter

Sophie Lionnet: French au pair murderers lose appeal

Murdered nanny was a 'rock' to boys she looked after

Obsession with former Boyzone member led to couple murdering nanny and attempting to burn her body

London couple who murdered nanny over Boyzone obsession jailed for life

'She hated suffering, it breaks my heart she was abused to the end'

Couple jailed for life for murdering French nanny Sophie Lionnet over bizarre Boyzone obsession

Nanny verdict: Ouissem Medouni was 'weak, submissive and insular'

Sophie Lionnet murder: Tortured French nanny's parents say killers Sabrina Kouider and Ouissem Medouni should be 'burned at the stake'

Affaire Sophie Lionnet : les obsèques de la jeune femme seront célébrées le 6 juin à Sens

Couple obsessed with Boyzone member guilty of killing French nanny

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Leeds, England. April 24, 2008. Anthony Morley was many things - the first ever Mr Gay UK, a dating game show winner, a model and a successful chef. But there was a very dark side to Anthony. This quickly became clear after he ran into a kebab shop at 2:30am that morning in late April 2008, dressed in a white dressing gown and slippers and covered in blood.

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Sources for this episode:

Damian Oldfield Wins on Dating Show

Mr Gay UK - About

Wikipedia - God's Gift

Sky News Report - Former Mr Gay UK Guilty Of Cannibal Murder

Chef who cooked lover's flesh jailed for murder

Killer chef cooked dead lover

The violent past of cannibal chef

Chef who cooked boyfriend guilty of murder

Recommended RedHanded Jimmy Savile podcast episode

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Macon, Georgia. June 26, 2011. Lauren Giddings had just completed her law degree at Mercer University in Macon, Georgia. All she had to do was pass the bar exam and she would be fully qualified to practice law. Her plan was to move in with her boyfriend, David, in Atlanta, and start her career. But then Lauren disappeared without a trace. After not hearing from her for several days, her friends and family began to worry and contacted the police in Macon to report her missing. Also seemingly very concerned about Lauren's whereabouts was her neighbor and fellow law graduate, Stephen McDaniel...

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Audio clips from episode:

Stephen's media interview

Stephen McDaniel's police interview

Sources for this episode:

The Plot Thickens: Say Hello to ‘Hacksaw McDaniel’

Hacksaw McDaniel Accused of Child Pornography Possession

Stephen McDaniel’s Ex-Roommate Speaks: Say Hello to Thad Money

A Creepy New Claim About Stephen McDaniel in the Lauren Giddings Murder Case

McDaniel's first media interview

Md. family's journey into heartache

Lauren Giddings and the man whose heart she won

Lauren Giddings' boyfriend talks about relationship, a future disrupted

Lauren Giddings Obituary - Macon, GA

Hundreds Attend Funeral For Md. Woman Slain In Georgia

Family remembers Lauren Giddings

The Lauren Teresa Giddings Scholarship Fund - Giving to Agnes Scott College

Scholarship honors slain Mercer Law student Lauren Giddings

5 years after slaying, reporters recall killer, heartbreak

Boyfriend of slain Macon woman describes last email

A closer look at Stephen McDaniel, the man accused in Lauren Giddings' killing

'Death Smell' From Nearby Trash Can Leads To Body Of Missing Woman

Stephen McDaniel case file released | 13wmaz.com

Georgia man Stephen McDaniel pleads guilty to strangling, dismembering Lauren Giddings

Investigators Reveal Evidence In Law Grad Killing

Lauren Giddings murder | Stephen McDaniel trial | abc10.com

Georgia man pleads guilty, sentenced to life in murder of North Laurel's Giddings

Georgia law student accused of killing and dismembering classmate, Lauren Giddings

UPDATE: Stephen McDaniel’s former attorney believed he was innocent until his confession

The murder of Lauren Giddings; upcoming trial looms for alleged killer

Stephen McDaniel pleads guilty to Lauren Giddings murder; sentenced to life in prison

DA: McDaniel Visited Websites About Dismemberment, Cannibalism

The Lauren Giddings murder: five years later

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Lexington, South Carolina. May 31, 1985. 17-year-old Shari Smith was excited for the future. In just a few days, she would set off on a cruise with her friends to celebrate the end of their high school years. After that, she had her entire life ahead of her. Everything came to a tragic end, however, when Shari was snatched from outside her home in broad daylight by a sadistic predator, Larry Gene Bell. For 28 days, the Midlands region of South Carolina was terrorized by Bell, who callously taunted Shari's family on the phone. Then, as the FBI expected he would if he wasn't apprehended, he snatched another girl. His second victim was 9-year-old Debra May Helmick. By the time Bell was apprehended, he had taken two young lives and shattered a community, leaving scars that would never fully heal.

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Sources for this episode:

Larry Gene Bell - Wikipedia

Larry Gene Bell - Murderpedia

Forensic Files - Last Will

Mindhunter: Inside the FBI's Elite Serial Crime Unit - John Douglas and Mark Olshaker

Palmetto Predators - Mark R. Jones

Murder in the Midlands: Larry Gene Bell and the 28 Days of Terror that Shook South Carolina

South Carolina serial killer forced girl to write a farewell note and tormented his victims' families after sick spree in mid-80s

In first interview since indictment, James Metts expresses regret

Midlands killer taunted victim's family in phone calls. This TV show tells the story

Keep on believing: Dawn Smith Jordan on hope after tragedy

Denise Newsom Porch

Police: We may never find missing woman

Newspaper articles about Sandee Cornett - here and here

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Farmville, Virginia. September 12, 2009. Emma Niederbrock was very excited to attend "Strictly for the Wicked", a music festival in Southgate, Michigan. The lineup for the festival included many of her favorite horrorcore rappers. She and her best friend, Melanie Wells, had gone to several similar events in the past and always enjoyed themselves. But this time was even more exciting, as Emma would be meeting Sam McCroskey (an amateur horrorcore rapper who went by "Syko Sam") in-person for the first time. The two had been talking online and on the phone for about a year at this point. Sam viewed Emma as his girlfriend, even though they had never met face-to-face. But when Emma finally set eyes on Sam in the flesh, she was seriously underwhelmed. Sam did not take the rejection well at all.

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Geto Boys - Assassins

Farmville Murders

Richard McCROSKEY

Horrorcore

Rapper charged in Va. slaying

Quadruple-murder suspect’s sister has received death threats over Virginia slayings

Horrorcore Rapper Accused of Killing 4 in Virginia

‘Horrorcore’ rap drew together suspect, victims

'Syko Sam' Allegedly Argued With Girlfriend

'Horrorcore' singer suspected in slayings

The Aspiring Death Metal Rapper Who Couldn’t Lose His “Girlfriend”

McCroskey pleads guilty to Farmville murders, gets life in prison

McCroskey Had Spoken with Police Before Arrest

People in Farmville react to Richard McCroskey guilty plea

Gruesome Details Revealed in “Syko Sam” Killings

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Perris, California. January 14, 2018. Few cases are as chilling as that of the Turpin family. Regardless of where you live, you likely remember this story dominating national, and even international news, in January 2018. The photos splashed across our television screens were designed to project an image of a big, happy family. But something just feels off about the photos, something you can’t immediately put your finger on. 

The reality could not have been further from what parents David and Louise Turpin, were attempting to convey in those photos. When the story broke of what was really going on behind closed doors in their southern California home, those who got the impression that something just wasn’t quite right had their feelings confirmed. It was all a charade, put on to mask the reality of how depraved human beings can be. 

While this case is not one of murder, I would certainly classify it as true crime.

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I highly recommend the novel Girl A by Abigail Dean, which is loosely based on this case.

Episode sources:

Turpin case - Wikipedia

Louise Turpin's Sister Talks Childhood Before House of Horrors | PEOPLE.com

House of Horrors Aunt Opens Up About Louise Turpin's Past

California couple accused of torturing their children had North Texas ties

Inside the Texas home where the malnourished, shackled siblings lived over 18 years ago

Turpin case: Shackled California siblings 'victims of torture'

Turpin: Shackled siblings found in Perris, California home

Turpin case: California couple deny torturing 'shackled siblings'

California family: Parents charged after children found shackled

13 captive siblings forced to shower once a year, strangled, subject to frequent beatings: Prosecutor

13 siblings, some shackled and malnourished, rescued from California house

Before police rescued their 13 children, the two parents had a history of strange behavior, family and neighbors say

Aunts of 13 captive children reveal years of secrecy and concerns

Airfares, fancy clothes and lavish meals: How the Turpins kept their evil secret

California torture house: Louise Turpin's sister said sibling experimented with religion, sex

Grandparents say 'God called' on Perris couple to have so many children

David and Louise Turpin case: A timeline of parental torture and abuse

Perris parents, accused of torturing 13 kids, dreamed of a reality show about their family, reports say

David Turpin's Sister-in-Law Says He Would Watch Her in the Shower, Wouldn't Let Her Contact Kids

Southern California torture case: Outline of accusations against Turpin parents

Captive teen's chilling 911 call details parents' alleged torture: 'My two little sisters right now are chained up'

'I've never been out': Chilling 911 call reveals abuse in Turpin family

Turpin siblings: Judge bars parents from contacting 13 children in torture case

Turpin parents sentenced to life in prison for torturing children

Turpin children speak out as parents are sentenced in torture case: 'I'm taking my life back'

Eldest Turpin Children Discharged from Hospital in What Attorney Describes as 'Birth Into Real World'

Turpin children 'working toward forgiveness' of parents in California torture case

Can anyone open a school at home in California?

California torture case raises questions about home school regulation

The Twisted Psychology Behind the Turpin Family Case

As a forensic psychologist, this is why I think the Turpins may have held their children captive

Inside Turpin family's Disney trips: kids wore same outfits each time | World | News | Express.co.uk

David Turpin charged with 8 counts of perjury

Turpin trial: Couple jailed for life for 'inhuman' child abuse

The Quiverfull: The evangelical Christians opposed to contraception

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Stanford, California. October 13, 1974. There weren't many places in Stanford that Arlis Perry felt at home. She had just moved from Bismarck, North Dakota, with her new husband, Bruce Perry, who was studying at Stanford. The iconic Stanford Memorial Church, however, was Arlis's safe place. It was somewhere she could go whenever she was feeling lonely or homesick. Naturally, it was where she went on the night of October 12, 1974, after an argument with Bruce. Nobody could have foreseen the horrors Arlis would endure that night in the place she felt most at peace. Was there a Satanic motivation behind Arlis's murder? Or was she just in the wrong place at the wrong time?

Stanford was no stranger to brutal slayings of young women. This episode will also look at the murders of Leslie Perlov and Janet Taylor, who were murdered in 1973 and 1974, respectively. Their murders, like Arlis's, would go unsolved for decades.

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Sources

Recent John Getreu article: Alleged serial killer's trial delayed while defense seeks state Supreme Court decision on DNA evidence

Arlis Perry

Murder of Arlis Perry

Stanford Student's Wife Found Slain In Church

40 years later, satanic reference still tied to Stanford murder

Past detectives on Stanford chapel slaying reflect on case’s ending

Sheriff investigating whether Stanford watchman linked to other campus murders

Suspect In 1974 Ritualistic Stanford Chapel Murder Kills Himself As Police Close In

Sheriff: Grisly 1974 Stanford murder solved | News | Palo Alto Online |

Stanford cold case: Will DNA solve murder of David Levine?

Suspect in 1974 Stanford killing was guard who found body

Leslie Perlov

Alleged serial killer pleads not guilty in 1973 murder case

Sister of slain Stanford grad 'grateful' 1973 case solved

DNA leads to arrest in 1973 Palo Alto cold case

Raped 45 years ago, woman returns to bring attacker to justice — for other woman's murder

Janet Taylor

Victim's green pants to be key piece of evidence in serial-killer case

Arrest in 1970s cold-case murder points to serial killer

Murderer of former athletic director's daughter identified after 45 years

Alleged serial killer lands in hospital before trial

Accused serial killer's trial set for January

Man accused of 1974 cold-case killing near Stanford campus pleads not guilty

Police think they've solved the long-cold murder of Stanford football coach's daughter

Others

Stanford Memorial Church

Alec Jeffreys

MemChu through the years

John Getreu

David Berkowitz

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Chuluota, Florida. January 25, 2019. When Cody Amato did not turn up for his shift at Orlando Regional Medical Center, his co-workers were worried. Cody had not missed a shift in the last five years. They called the police, asking if an officer could perform a welfare check at the Amato home. When the police arrived, the house appeared silent. No one came to the door when they knocked, so they forced their way inside. In the house, they found the deceased bodies of 61-year-old Margaret, 59-year-old Chad and and 31-year-old Cody.

29-year-old Grant Amato, Chad and Margaret's youngest son, who also lived in the house, was nowhere to be found.

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Sources for this episode:

Obsession, money, lies tore Grant Amato’s family apart. A jury will decide whether he killed them

Police: Man accused of killing family over $200,000, Bulgarian call girl, also stole hospital drugs

Man accused of killing parents, brother admits concocting false life in letter: 'I hate myself for what I did'

Worried co-workers led to slain family's discovery, 911 calls show

Grant Amato charged with murdering his family over $200,000 obsession with Bulgarian 'cam girl'

Grant Amato trial: Family was desperate to help before killings, sole surviving sibling testifies

Grant Amato trial: Jurors see Bulgarian webcam model at center of triple-homicide case

Expert: 3 guns recovered from Seminole County home, none used in the killings of Amato family

Grant Amato's brother testifies for prosecution in death penalty case

Jurors see interview with Grant Amato day after family found slain in Chuluota home

Records provide glimpse into relationship between webcam model, Chuluota man accused of killing his family

FL v. Amato: The Defense's Case

Grant Amato found guilty of killing mother, father and brother

Grant Amato gets life for killing parents, brother over Bulgarian webcam model

Video: Grant Amato begs Bulgarian cam girl to send him videos of her

Polygonal rifling explanation

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